# How much of a clusterf\*ck do you think Bush left Obama?
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046
**Category:** PolitiSUCK
**Created:** [January 10, 2010, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046 "2010-01-10T13:55:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/21 "2010-01-12T12:09:24Z")
> [@glitch](#):
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> You’re thinking of WWII.
Really? So we completely depend on forign everything for our supplies for the war? How can anybody who acts so smart be so uninformed?
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### Author:  [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/22 "2010-01-12T12:12:42Z")
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### Author:  [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/23 "2010-01-12T12:14:57Z")
sigh. I expected as much from a typical band wagon member.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/24 "2010-01-12T13:47:05Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#):
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> ^I did laugh a little but I can tell you my company and its employees made money from the Iraq war.
Ditto. :picard: but my paycheck was definitely funded by projects for Kellogg Brown & Root for a while.
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### Author:  [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/25 "2010-01-12T15:28:46Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#):
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> ^I did laugh a little but I can tell you my company and its employees made money from the Iraq war.
Cmon…you mean I’m not a totally retarded nut with no backing for my stance??? 😉
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### Author:  [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/26 "2010-01-12T15:31:11Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#):
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> Cmon…you mean I’m not a totally retarded nut with no backing for my stance??? 😉
No one is saying some companies don’t make money off war but you can’t use that as a justification for a overall good economy. I’m not saying you are retarded but if you think the economy was fine & dandy under the Bush administration, then you are on the right track.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/27 "2010-01-12T19:12:13Z")
Don’t make us go back to the whole Democrats before Bush basically threatened banks into lending money to people who were underqualified(if that is a word lol).
I still say Janet Reno did a shit ton of damage to this country in more ways than one but it may never get fully recognized.
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### Author:  [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/28 "2010-01-12T19:52:40Z")
> [@glitch](#):
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> No one is saying some companies don’t make money off war but you can’t use that as a justification for a overall good economy. I’m not saying you are retarded but if you think the economy was fine & dandy under the Bush administration, then you are on the right track.
No…it wasnt fine and dandy. But it wasnt fine and dandy under Clinton for the last few years of his presidency either. I will give Bush credit in that he did help to slow the sinking ship that was our economy though.
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### Author:  [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/29 "2010-01-13T05:42:46Z")
> [@glitch](#):
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> No one is saying some companies don’t make money off war but you can’t use that as a justification for a overall good economy. I’m not saying you are retarded but if you think the economy was fine & dandy under the Bush administration, then you are on the right track.
I wasn’t using anything as a “justification for a **n** overall good economy”. What have I said that’s even remotely similar exactly? I don’t think the economy is “overall good” at all. I think the fundamentals in this country are doom worthy and without some magical replacement currency the bell shall toll…someday LOL.
But that said, it’s comical that anyone would try and debate that war doesn’t stimulate an economy. It’s not a healthy “stimulus” nor is a bailout, so it’s not a _good_ boost…never would I suggest that. But you read into what I was saying WAYYY too far. The bottom line is war stimulates an economy, and that was my only statement.
I don’t like Bush, nor his war. I don’t like dems or repubs even. I dislike politics and most institutions actually. I find institutions are generally used to coerce power and often enable greed based profiteering.
You have issues reading too far into comments and adding your own interpretation of what the person is saying it seems. You also clearly fail to survey the whole landscape and therefore you isolate and twist statements. If you can slip your head out for a minute and look at the option I asked for on the poll maybe you would better understand my thoughts. Of course Nixon did the US no favor by removing the gold standard…but Clinton and Greenspan kicked our slippery slope into overdrive. Does that mean I think Bush is a hero somehow??? I’m confused.
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### Author:  [@blk99z28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blk99z28)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/30 "2010-01-13T19:15:57Z")
There are so many factors involved in why we stand where we do economically right now. Certainly Bush wasn’t the best president ever, he did some things that in hindsight I’m sure he would even admit weren’t the best option. Like him or not anyone educated in economics will tell you that you can’t pin this one bush. I can think of about 3 or 4 individuals more responsible for fucking things up to put us where we are.
The wheels were set in motion for this shit 30 years ago. There were many bad decisions (policies) that brought us here. I love how some people want to blame corporate American greed for ruining our economy. The Government is exponentially more responsible for our fucked up economy than any corporation. Bush, Obama, Pelosi, Frank, they all suck in my opinion.
OWWW, Just had a great idea. Lets take a bunch of lawyers that chase ambulances and raise money and campaign and put them in charge of the worlds largest economy! None of these political fuck-tards know shit about economics but yet they make the economic policy.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/31 "2010-01-13T20:49:44Z")
> [@blk99z28](#):
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> There are so many factors involved in why we stand where we do economically right now. Certainly Bush wasn’t the best president ever, he did some things that in hindsight I’m sure he would even admit weren’t the best option. Like him or not anyone educated in economics will tell you that you can’t pin this one bush. I can think of about 3 or 4 individuals more responsible for fucking things up to put us where we are.
Agreed. Can’t pin it all on Bush.
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### Author:  [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/32 "2010-01-13T22:08:34Z")
> [@blk99z28](#):
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> There are so many factors involved in why we stand where we do economically right now. Certainly Bush wasn’t the best president ever, he did some things that in hindsight I’m sure he would even admit weren’t the best option. Like him or not anyone educated in economics will tell you that you can’t pin this one bush. I can think of about 3 or 4 individuals more responsible for fucking things up to put us where we are.
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> The wheels were set in motion for this shit 30 years ago. There were many bad decisions (policies) that brought us here. I love how some people want to blame corporate American greed for ruining our economy. The Government is exponentially more responsible for our fucked up economy than any corporation. Bush, Obama, Pelosi, Frank, they all suck in my opinion.
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> OWWW, Just had a great idea. Lets take a bunch of lawyers that chase ambulances and raise money and campaign and put them in charge of the worlds largest economy! None of these political fuck-tards know shit about economics but yet they make the economic policy.
Very well said
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### Author:  [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/33 "2010-01-14T06:39:55Z")
BLK99 for prez! Well put. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/34 "2010-01-14T06:43:08Z")
I thought my post # 17 was more to the point. 😃
I hate NYSPEED essay competitions.
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### Author:  [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/35 "2010-01-14T08:23:58Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#):
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> I thought my post # 17 was more to the point. 😃
> I hate NYSPEED essay competitions.
I give you an A+ as well.
But the + is only there because you are part of the tin foil brigade. 😉
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/36 "2010-01-14T09:24:02Z")
If you keep digging, past the political policies, you get to individual actions amounting to a culture of greed. Individual consumers buying shit they can’t afford and individual producers taking on obscene risks. I blame our something-for-nothing culture more than I blame our politics.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/37 "2010-01-14T09:59:38Z")
I think they feed on each other.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/38 "2010-01-14T10:09:33Z")
Fair enough.
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/39 "2010-01-14T10:10:28Z")
> [@Fry](#):
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> If you keep digging, past the political policies, you get to individual actions amounting to a culture of greed. Individual consumers buying shit they can’t afford and individual producers taking on obscene risks. I blame our something-for-nothing culture more than I blame our politics.
If you die in a shitload of debt, you win the game.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2010, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-much-of-a-clusterf-ck-do-you-think-bush-left-obama/78046/40 "2010-01-14T10:16:13Z")
Just ask Thomas Jefferson…
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