# I buy American cars because 'Murica' **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [July 2, 2014, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878 "2014-07-02T08:47:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GV1390](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gv1390/32/5432_2.png) [@GV1390](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GV1390)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/61 "2014-07-07T08:28:39Z")
> [@cougarspeed](#): > > Is that why I dd a forester? You must be a lesbian. ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/62 "2014-07-07T08:54:23Z")
> [@GV1390](#): > > You must be a lesbian. Clearly this thread is really really dumb and beating-a-dead-horse-as-fuck ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/63 "2014-07-07T16:26:55Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > Tell me, how do you feel manly liking a Z? curious the size difference in those to the American muscle cars. > Question… out of the list that it shows, which handles the best? Pretty sure my 3800lb Camaro 1LE would kick the shit out of a BRZ on a road course. You can pick one up for around $34k right now if you can find one. Not sure why you think a BRZ is such an amazing car, and that American pony cars can’t handle. My car runs high 12’s in the 1/4 can pull over 1g in a corner and can stop from 60 in under 100 feet. It can do that lap after lap too. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/64 "2014-07-07T16:35:51Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > Pretty sure my 3800lb Camaro 1LE would kick the shit out of a BRZ on a road course. You can pick one up for around $34k right now if you can find one. Not sure why you think a BRZ is such an amazing car, and that American pony cars can’t handle. My car runs high 12’s in the 1/4 can pull over 1g in a corner and can stop from 60 in under 100 feet. It can do that lap after lap too. :lol: 2013 Subaru BRZ2.0L F-4 200-hp/151 lb-ft22 30 mpg 2747 lb 6.4 sec 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph 60-0 120 ft ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/65 "2014-07-07T16:36:55Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > :lol: > > 2013 Subaru BRZ2.0L F-4 200-hp/151 lb-ft22 > 30 mpg > 2747 lb > 6.4 sec > 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph > 60-0 120 ft Those look like the numbers my Silverado puts down! Must be a BLAST to drive! ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/66 "2014-07-07T19:32:21Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > lol wow, you mad bro? Have I owned a “fast” car before. No I havent owned one but have driven a few and have been in the passenger seat of many. I grew up in muscle cars with my best friend and his father. A Challenger T/A, Challenger R/T, +500hp 70s charger, 70s drag camaro, and many others. Those were all his families/fathers and I was around while he rebuilt and drove every one of those. (I love old muscle) > > I drive a 05 Legacy GT… come at me bro. lol It’s not “fast” but I’ll probably beat 80% of whats on the road in the winter and I’ll do it having a fucking blast!. I didn’t buy the honda to be a “fast” car, if I wanted faster I would have just dropped the money on a sti to have fun all year round **and laugh at the v8’s I could beat with my 4 cylinder turbo.** > > Go look up the weights on the cars again chief… I didnt just post numbers off my own thoughts, I actually looked up the specs on each one I listed, but you are absolutely correct. lol (I posted the specs on the top model of each of those cars) > > Your claim about the tires on the BRZ/FRS, yes they are Prius wheels. If you did any research which I’m sure you just talk out your ass, they actually designed these cars with the knowledge that the majority of people buying these cars that will be bothered by that will go out and put a wide and different offset on the rims/tires. They produced one of if not the best car of the year based on everyone that reviews automobiles, but who listens to those people. (they know nothing about cars) If you want more power, you can probably drop about $3k and end up producing a great car which is still going to be less than your average car that would compare. > > I like going through my gears and enjoying the sounds and knowing that even after hitting redline in 2 gears… I still am just getting to the speed limit or 5 over. It’s enjoyable. The fact I have a car where I can take a corner and romp on the gas and still get 27mpg, I’ve only changed fluids in the car, replaced a clutch master cylinder, and tires… I’d take this car over most anything right now. I got it with 33k, I’ve driven it for 3 1/2 years and I have 90k. > > Edit: Ha, I ain’t mad bro, but I’m not the only one that thinks you are delusional (as usual). I hope you have fun beating up on 4.6L 2V mustangs, thats probably if they don’t know how to drive by the way. Its ok though I don’t have a fast car either right now, I do miss having a stick shift car though… ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/67 "2014-07-07T19:41:28Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > I like going through my gears and enjoying the sounds and knowing that even after hitting redline in 2 gears… I still am just getting to the speed limit or 5 over. It’s enjoyable. The fact I have a car where I can take a corner and romp on the gas and still get 27mpg, I’ve only changed fluids in the car, replaced a clutch master cylinder, and tires… I’d take this car over most anything right now. I got it with 33k, I’ve driven it for 3 1/2 years and I have 90k. No shit that is all they do for gas mileage? My motor is 3 times the size and still gets the same MPG ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/68 "2014-07-08T06:26:51Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > Pretty sure my 3800lb Camaro 1LE would kick the shit out of a BRZ on a road course. You can pick one up for around $34k right now if you can find one. Not sure why you think a BRZ is such an amazing car, and that American pony cars can’t handle. My car runs high 12’s in the 1/4 can pull over 1g in a corner and can stop from 60 in under 100 feet. It can do that lap after lap too. > [@LZ](#): > > :lol: > > 2013 Subaru BRZ2.0L F-4 200-hp/151 lb-ft22 > 30 mpg > 2747 lb > 6.4 sec > 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph > 60-0 120 ft So you are comparing a $25k car to a $34k car. Take the extra $9k and let see how much power we can put to the FRS. They didn’t produce the FRS/BRZ to have power out of the factory, they made it as a car for people to do what they want to them starting at a low price for a sports car. Intake, Exhaust, tune… without a turbo and you already have about 250hp. Put a turbo on the car and return for another $4k, the car will probably produce 400hp. 400hp in a car that weight under 2800lbs sounds pretty enjoyable when comparing the money spent for the camaro and being able to build your own frs. Power to weight at this point, the FRS should have no problem. Sorry I guess all the muscle guys came into the convo. - - - Updated - - - > [@LZ](#): > > No shit that is all they do for gas mileage? My motor is 3 times the size and still gets the same MPG I would love to see you drive your vette the same way I drive my honda and end up with 26/27mpg. lol ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/69 "2014-07-08T06:33:50Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > So you are comparing a $25k car to a $34k car. Take the extra $9k and let see how much power we can put to the FRS. They didn’t produce the FRS/BRZ to have power out of the factory, they made it as a car for people to do what they want to them starting at a low price for a sports car. Intake, Exhaust, tune… without a turbo and you already have about 250hp. Put a turbo on the car and return for another $4k, the car will probably produce 400hp. 400hp in a car that weight under 2800lbs sounds pretty enjoyable when comparing the money spent for the camaro and being able to build your own frs. Power to weight at this point, the FRS should have no problem. Oh this wonderful argument “well if you modded this brand new car under warranty it would be faster than X” It still doesn’t change the stopping or turning abilities of the car :lol: The BRZ has the same 60-0 and lateral G’s as my 3700lb Sedan which also happens to run 0-60 and the 1/4 mile significantly faster :lol: They need to make a STi model before this thing is at all impressive its slower than most modern family sedans and its turning and stopping abilities are not much better. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/70 "2014-07-08T06:40:42Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Oh this wonderful argument “well if you modded this brand new car under warranty it would be faster than X” > > It still doesn’t change the stopping or turning abilities of the car :lol: > > The BRZ has the same 60-0 and lateral G’s as my 3700lb Sedan which also happens to run 0-60 and the 1/4 mile significantly faster :lol: > > They need to make a STi model before this thing is at all impressive its slower than most modern family sedans and its turning and stopping abilities are not much better. I’m guessing you are talking about the stock tires it comes with on the brz which are the same as a prius. They designed the wells for wide tires so that you can put a better stance, tire/rim combo for better handling. ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/71 "2014-07-08T06:43:10Z")
I just want to know this…do either of your cars have a enough storage to hold your purse? ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/72 "2014-07-08T06:45:28Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > I just want to know this…do either of your cars have a enough storage to hold your purse? Hockey bag/camping gear… yep. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/73 "2014-07-08T06:48:25Z")
Yammeryamyam just letting you know my opinion. You are just as biased as anyone you thought about when making this thread. Jus sayin. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/74 "2014-07-08T06:55:14Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > I’m guessing you are talking about the stock tires it comes with on the brz which are the same as a prius. They designed the wells for wide tires so that you can put a better stance, tire/rim combo for better handling. So now once you buy a turbo Change the wheel and tires Anything else? ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/75 "2014-07-08T07:02:30Z")
> [@cougarspeed](#): > > Yammeryamyam just letting you know my opinion. You are just as biased as anyone you thought about when making this thread. Jus sayin. Honest… I really was excited to hear about the Mustang 2.3l turbo but wish the weight would come down. I would love the focus if we could get the euro one with the AWD. I was really excited to hear about GM trying to compete against the BRZ/FRS but I haven’t heard much more about the cars. I believe it was the Code 130r. The Camaros are nice, they are doing a good job with them and definitely have a good look, I just dont need that big of a car when dealing with a sports style vehicle. And like stated, I love the new vette… my only beef is the rear bumper and how high they brought that black plastic up. It needs less of that and more of the painted bumper. - - - Updated - - - > [@LZ](#): > > So now once you buy a turbo > > Change the wheel and tires > > Anything else? Well troll, you apparently haven’t looked into the car enough. We are comparing again a $34k car apparently to a $25k car. Tell me what you would buy for $25k comparable? Not trying to be an ass asking, I am curious. Have you actually driven one? I really dont know many people that talk shit about the FRS besides the lack of power which again from the manufacture, they did it for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/76 "2014-07-08T07:03:19Z")
Some how the weight of all these big slow dumb domestics is more than the BRZ Yet they handle/accelerate/stop better :lol: So why are you so hung up on 400-500lb difference between them? ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/77 "2014-07-08T07:06:09Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Some how the weight of all these big slow dumb domestics is more than the BRZ > > Yet they handle/accelerate/stop better :lol: > > So why are you so hung up on 400-500lb difference between them? Again, tires/wheels make a world of a difference. Stock tires/wheels, I’d hope you can over a prius wheel. lol How much wider are your tires? How much of a performance tire comes on the car from the factory? Edit: do you search out my posts when I first make them? lol You comment on 90% of them. I believe that gives you troll status. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/78 "2014-07-08T07:07:53Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > Again, tires/wheels make a world of a difference. Stock tires/wheels, I’d hope you can over a prius wheel. lol How much wider are your tires? How much of a performance tire comes on the car from the factory? And there is something preventing me from changing my tires? suspension? etc? The concept here is we are talking about stock cars I have driven a BRZ its fun to throw around the issue being most people never goto the track and its horribly fucking slow for a “fun” street car. Realize the times we live in a V6 Accord runs low 14s in a 1/4 mile and the BRZ is lucky to knock off a 15.0 ---
**Author:** ![Norb\_O](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/norb_o/32/5189_2.png) [@Norb\_O](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norb_O)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/79 "2014-07-08T07:10:25Z")
honestly yam sometimes I think you make threads like this just to tell everyone your opinion and hear your own voice. Every single sentence in your last post had the word “I” in it there are many, many different demographics to satisfy out there and in today’s economy they build cars that will sell, not ones that fill a tiny niche. as someone said we’re all lucky that manufacturers even are able to offer performance/enthusiast style vehicles since those only generally account for a tiny percentage of sales that keep a manufacturer alive. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878/80 "2014-07-08T07:12:38Z")
> [@Norb O](#): > > honestly yam sometimes I think you make threads like this just to tell everyone your opinion and hear your own voice. Every single sentence in your last post had the word “I” in it > > there are many, many different demographics to satisfy out there and in today’s economy they build cars that will sell, not ones that fill a tiny niche. as someone said we’re all lucky that manufacturers even are able to offer performance/enthusiast style vehicles since those only generally account for a tiny percentage of sales that keep a manufacturer alive. Actually this was created to show that toyotas and hondas are more american made than GM, then it turned around into power and engines and etc by others. I just went along with it. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-buy-american-cars-because-murica/269878.md?page=5)