# i hate gm built cars **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 6, 2007, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251 "2007-01-06T05:25:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dgramc](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dgramc/32/5934_2.png) [@dgramc](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dgramc)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/21 "2007-01-06T08:58:31Z")
please tell me how it outperforms it, dont get me wrong, the gto is a nice car and all. I like them. I just dont think it performs as well ---
**Author:** ![SP71Supra](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sp71supra/32/5955_2.png) [@SP71Supra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SP71Supra)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/22 "2007-01-06T09:07:55Z")
as much as I think the GTO is an ugly POS… it will outperform the M3… but id still rather have the M3 ANY day over the GTO. GTO has more power, but im not sure about handling, but then again who cares about handling? ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/23 "2007-01-06T09:10:46Z")
2006 BMW M3 Engine: 3.2L i6 Price: ~$51,000 Weight: 3,782 HP: 333 TQ: 255 0-60: 5.0 1/4mi: 13.4 @ 105 200ft Skid: .88g 80-0: **196ft** Slalom: 68mph 2006 Pontiac GTO Engine: 6.0L V8 Price: ~$34,000 Weight: **3,721** HP: **400** TQ: **400** 0-60: **4.7** 1/4mi: **13.2 @ 108** 200ft skid: **.90g** 80-0: 199ft Slalom: **69mph** ---
**Author:** ![imported\_Sleeper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sleeper/32/5939_2.png) [@imported\_Sleeper](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_Sleeper)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/24 "2007-01-06T09:11:09Z")
Ur retarded,go take ur frustration out on a metro or something ---
**Author:** ![dgramc](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dgramc/32/5934_2.png) [@dgramc](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dgramc)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/25 "2007-01-06T09:14:50Z")
obviously every magazine/website has dif info. here is yahoo. both are 2006 models M3 3.2 L, I-6, 6 speed Manual 0-10012.00 sec. 0-604.80 sec. 1/4 Mile13.40 sec. 60-0 Braking114.00 ft. 80-0 Braking196.00 ft. IssueSep-05 Skidpad0.88 g. Slalom67.30 mph Top Speed155.00 mph GTO 6.0 L, V-8, 6 speed Manual 0-605.20 sec. 1/4 Mile13.70 sec. 60-0 Braking124.00 ft. 80-0 Braking221.00 ft. IssueDec-05 Skidpad0.84 g. Slalom62.90 mph Top Speed. Mph159.00 ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/26 "2007-01-06T09:15:44Z")
> [@Got Cup Cars?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/got-cup-cars/27046/17): > > obviously ever magazine/website has dif info. here is yahoo. both are 2006 models > > M3 > 3.2 L, I-6, 6 speed Manual > 0-10012.00 sec. > 0-604.80 sec. > 1/4 Mile13.40 sec. > 60-0 Braking114.00 ft. > 80-0 Braking196.00 ft. > IssueSep-05 > Skidpad0.88 g. > Slalom67.30 mph > Top Speed155.00 mph > > GTO > 6.0 L, V-8, 6 speed Manual > 0-605.20 sec. > 1/4 Mile13.70 sec. > 60-0 Braking124.00 ft. > 80-0 Braking221.00 ft. > IssueDec-05 > Skidpad0.84 g. > Slalom62.90 mph > Top Speed. Mph159.00 not goin by mags, goin by manufacter, if that were true, then the best the new Z06 could run is a 12.2, we all know magazines give favortism to their top advertisers. ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/27 "2007-01-06T09:51:06Z")
id still take the M3 ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/28 "2007-01-06T10:03:20Z")
> [@WTB: used Meyer snow plow and ram](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-used-meyer-snow-plow-and-ram/27086/2): > > id still take the M3 do you have $51,000 for one? 🙂 I’d love to have a Ferrari Enzo, but I drive a Z06 ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/29 "2007-01-06T10:35:27Z")
no, but id take one over a GTO within this comparison 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Integra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5daacb/32.png) [@Black\_Integra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Black_Integra)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/30 "2007-01-06T11:52:59Z")
> [@Post Your Pic! v. thishasneverbeendonebefore](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-your-pic-v-thishasneverbeendonebefore/26916/312): > > no, but id take one over a GTO within this comparison 😉 me too ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/31 "2007-01-06T13:53:16Z")
> [@Post Your Pic! v. thishasneverbeendonebefore](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-your-pic-v-thishasneverbeendonebefore/26916/312): > > no, but id take one over a GTO within this comparison 😉 champagne taste, beer pocket book you have ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/32 "2007-01-06T14:03:11Z")
> [@Post Your Pic! v. thishasneverbeendonebefore](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-your-pic-v-thishasneverbeendonebefore/26916/321): > > champagne taste, beer pocket book you have for the cost of the GTO, i’d buy a used M3. total package \> performance figures ---
**Author:** ![cleanquick306](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/48db29/32.png) [@cleanquick306](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cleanquick306)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/33 "2007-01-06T14:14:54Z")
> [@Post Your Pic! v. thishasneverbeendonebefore](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-your-pic-v-thishasneverbeendonebefore/26916/321): > > champagne taste, margaritta pocket book you have ---
**Author:** ![Storamin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Storamin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Storamin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/34 "2007-01-06T14:45:50Z")
no offence to the statistics but how many of you michael schumakers out there can drive the car that damn well? i’d say only quik could but hes not in this conversation! and here i thought you meant the corvette. corvette is great if i wanted a car with a piece of shit plastic interior and was having my midlife crisis. the goat? pahleze… the only good thing about that car is the engine. the feeling of that car against the m3 leaves no comparison. BMW is a much different car than any GM. the fact that the comparison was even brought up confuses me… the key point i can think of that distinguishes the two companies is the consumer. bmw makes what the consumer wants, while GM makes what they sell and expect the consumer to alter what they want to fit what they produce. you can see how that works out… ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/35 "2007-01-06T15:03:58Z")
> [@WTB: used Meyer snow plow and ram](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-used-meyer-snow-plow-and-ram/27086/6): > > no offence to the statistics but how many of you michael schumakers out there can drive the car that damn well? i’d say only quik could but hes not in this conversation! > > and here i thought you meant the corvette. corvette is great if i wanted a car with a piece of shit plastic interior and was having my midlife crisis. the goat? pahleze… the only good thing about that car is the engine. the feeling of that car against the m3 leaves no comparison. > > BMW is a much different car than any GM. the fact that the comparison was even brought up confuses me… the key point i can think of that distinguishes the two companies is the consumer. bmw makes what the consumer wants, while GM makes what they sell and expect the consumer to alter what they want to fit what they produce. you can see how that works out… sorry man, bmw has shit on gm as far as performance. not saying the m3 isnt a good car, but its a pretty package with not much to deliver. I considered buying a used M3 for a daily driver, but found more bang for the buck in the GTO. Drive one, you’ll see… and calling it a run of the mill, GM surely tells me you have no clue wtf youre talking about, and are easily brainwashed by BMW marketing and not saying I’m the end all to driving, because I still have my fair share to learn on a road course, but numbers in my sig arent to bad for an amateur So until you’ve driven both with decent distance, thats when you can make a valid opinion on the subject. From how you speak it tells me you drove the M3 a lot, and GTO little to none. I’ve driven both, I bought one for a certain reason. I could afford either. I know the reason why an M3 has a $20,000 price tag higher than a Goat. They were options I did not need. and dont give me that BMW \> \* bullshit. They have more than their fair share of issues ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/36 "2007-01-06T16:09:04Z")
[QUOTE=cleanquick306;504615][/QUOTE] only if it’s the ones you buy at the store and add your tequilla to the bucket ---
**Author:** ![Blackbelt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blackbelt/32/5998_2.png) [@Blackbelt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blackbelt)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/37 "2007-01-07T10:36:55Z")
I have owned several BMW’s over the years. The early ones were superb. The later ones are yuppie specials designed to extract as many $$ as possible from fat wallets. Do they perform? No doubt. Are they overpiced for what the provide in terms of performance? Again, no doubt. Are they relatively unreliable when compared the typical Asian or American car in it’s price range? Yep. Are they expensive to repair? Damn right. I am currently looking for a performance toy to play with. BMW will not be a consideration for me. Maybe a GTO would be. A Vette would not, becasue as much as i like them, i don’t need the “midlife crisis car” crap. ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/38 "2007-01-07T13:38:41Z")
> [@Post Your Pic! v. thishasneverbeendonebefore](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-your-pic-v-thishasneverbeendonebefore/26916/322): > > for the cost of the GTO, i’d buy a used M3. > > total package \> performance figures Too bad the M3 is missing the total package. I’ll even side w/ the M3 on performance. Sure it gets stomped straight-line but it will out-handle a GTO, no doubt. But they fall apart like it’s the thing to do. A buddy of mine bought a brand new '06, put 10k miles on it in 3 months, and got rid of it in favor of a C6. He had nothing but nagging little problems with it and the lack of torque killed the fun-factor when not driving it all-out. It’s always nice when your ~$60k car’s driver-side door won’t open and the subframe starts to tear out of the unibody. > [@Post before and after pictures of your car!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-before-and-after-pictures-of-your-car/26903/48): > > a Vette would not, becasue as much as i like them, i don’t need the “midlife crisis car” crap. So you’re going to let a few people making some jokes at your expense entirely rule-out a great car choice? Sounds like the smart move to me… -TJ ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/39 "2007-01-07T14:16:39Z")
> [@This is why i hate cobalt ss drivers](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-is-why-i-hate-cobalt-ss-drivers/27102/3): > > Too bad the M3 is missing the total package. I’ll even side w/ the M3 on performance. Sure it gets stomped straight-line but it will out-handle a GTO, no doubt. But they fall apart like it’s the thing to do. A buddy of mine bought a brand new '06, put 10k miles on it in 3 months, and got rid of it in favor of a C6. He had nothing but nagging little problems with it and the lack of torque killed the fun-factor when not driving it all-out. It’s always nice when your ~$60k car’s driver-side door won’t open and the subframe starts to tear out of the unibody. > > So you’re going to let a few people making some jokes at your expense entirely rule-out a great car choice? Sounds like the smart move to me… > > -TJ m3 and gto feel to identical to me in the handling dept but im also to used to the z06 here comes comment thats true and will sure to piss a lot of you off 2007 GM Quality \> 2007 BMW Quality ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251/40 "2007-01-07T14:53:51Z")
> [@WTB: Video Card](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-video-card/27082/2): > > last I checked, GM had more cars that were in the least problems per 100 than BMW did > > and don’t they have a car out right now, that out performs the M3 and is about $20,000 cheaper? 😉 just messin with you, but you know its true yes, but the BMW beats it hands down in the category of not being a piece of shit GM product. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-hate-gm-built-cars/187251.md?page=3)