# I have a Honda problem.

**URL:** <https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068>\
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\
**Created:** [February 4, 2007, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068 "2007-02-04T13:32:15Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 15\
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**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/41 "2007-02-07T04:27:43Z")

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“Rubbin’ is racin’” - Days of Thunder

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**Author:** ![dp2387](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/42 "2007-02-07T08:19:15Z")

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> [@neurokinetik](#):
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> If the Mini actually has a camber adjustment, it doesn’t give them much, if any, based upon how much they complain about lack thereof…
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> One data point to consider is that the '05 RSX-S can fit a 245 up front if you take full advantage of the wheel offset allowance.

The current crop of Mini’s get very very little camber. It’s still a question mark for the '07’s though. Though someone I know who was at the dealer to place an order on one said it looked like there may be room for adjustment, but wasn’t totally sure how much if any really.

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**Author:** ![psphinx81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@psphinx81](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psphinx81)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/43 "2007-02-07T09:15:33Z")

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:tup:

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**Author:** ![MHill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea5d25/32.png) [@MHill](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MHill)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/44 "2007-02-07T16:33:25Z")

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Also, has anyone heard of this new MINI “hyper sport” suspension package? Dave is that what your referring to when you say 07 will be the new cat’s meow?

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**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/45 "2007-02-07T16:39:17Z")

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> [@Rx3](#):
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> Daily driver should = motorcycle.

Eh, that + rain w/ good clothes - obligatory rain suit = not my choice.

I was this —\> \<— close to an RSX-S. Sharp car. I got a chance to drive a new Civic, and wasn’t as impressed as I was with the older Si I rolled around. The styling on the new cars turns me off.

It’s a stupid thing, but I hate cleaning ice out of those recessed headlight wells on the RSX. It seems to build up with the heat from the lamps, and your lighting really suffers. :dunno: Minor niggle.

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**Author:** ![dp2387](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/46 "2007-02-07T17:41:15Z")

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> [@MHill](#):
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> Also, has anyone heard of this new MINI “hyper sport” suspension package? Dave is that what your referring to when you say 07 will be the new cat’s meow?

No, I have yet to hear of any “hyper sport” suspension. But I can ask my dad if he’s heard anything about it since he placed an order for his on Monday.

But it’s still a question mark if the new Mini will be faster than the Supercharged one, at least in autocross. I guess the torque curve is really nice compared to the older ones, but gearing is shorter, and that’s a concern for some. Just have to wait and see I guess.

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**Author:** ![neurokinetik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neurokinetik/32/7270_2.png) [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/47 "2007-02-07T18:17:10Z")

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> [@dp2387](#):
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> I guess the torque curve is really nice compared to the older ones, but gearing is shorter, and that’s a concern for some. Just have to wait and see I guess.

Why do manufacturers insist on using too-short gearing in a car that has an abundance of torque? :gotme:

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**Author:** ![\_Karu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/_karu/32/7602_2.png) [@\_Karu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_Karu)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/48 "2007-02-07T18:37:37Z")

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why not a sedan?

sedan Si \> coupe Si

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**Author:** ![dp2387](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2007, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/49 "2007-02-08T06:50:24Z")

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> [@neurokinetik](#):
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> Why do manufacturers insist on using too-short gearing in a car that has an abundance of torque? :gotme:

You need to drive the MR2. It’s really just a matter of getting over “3rd gear-itis”. As long as the car is good on torque, it pulls well in 3rd, and if it doesn’t have good torque (like a Type R so I’m told), it doesn’t pull well in 3rd. Most people are just afraid of loosing time in the downshift back to second, because it’s easy to screw up. I don’t know, I don’t really have any data to back any of this up though, it’s really just a “butt dyno” type thing.

But to not go too far off topic, if the Si is like the Type R, you better get working on you 2nd to 1st shifting 🙂 .

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**Author:** ![9ONA3OOZX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9ona3oozx/32/7242_2.png) [@9ONA3OOZX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9ONA3OOZX)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2007, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/50 "2007-02-08T07:21:19Z")

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:tup:

PS: where’s 91MR2 in this thread? i thought for sure he’d be sucking you off by now…

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**Author:** ![MHill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea5d25/32.png) [@MHill](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MHill)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2007, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/51 "2007-02-08T17:24:00Z")

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> [@\_Karu\_](#):
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> why not a sedan?
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> sedan Si \> coupe Si

Negative, coupe suspension is stiffer.

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**Author:** ![avs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f475e1/32.png) [@avs](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/avs)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/52 "2007-02-22T18:42:25Z")

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Nice ride! What part of NOVA do you live?

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**Author:** ![MHill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea5d25/32.png) [@MHill](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MHill)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/53 "2007-02-23T14:07:20Z")

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I live in Loudoun County, and work in Manasses.

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**Author:** ![neurokinetik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neurokinetik/32/7270_2.png) [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/54 "2007-02-24T11:59:38Z")

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[quote=“dp2387,post:49,topic:24068"”]

You need to drive the MR2. It’s really just a matter of getting over “3rd gear-itis”. As long as the car is good on torque, it pulls well in 3rd, and if it doesn’t have good torque (like a Type R so I’m told), it doesn’t pull well in 3rd. Most people are just afraid of loosing time in the downshift back to second, because it’s easy to screw up. I don’t know, I don’t really have any data to back any of this up though, it’s really just a “butt dyno” type thing.

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Here’s where I’m coming from: Gearing is used as a torque multiplier. All other thing being equal, to acheive the same results at the wheels with an engine that has more available torque, you would use taller gearing. The biggest issue is that in a FWD car, you run out of available traction quickly when alot of torque is multiplied by using too-short gears. Which means 1st gear is useless, and 2nd gear runs out too soon. Shifting takes time, time when you are not at WOT.

I’d bet that your MR2 would be faster on the bigger courses if it were geared in such a way that you could just stick it in 2nd and leave it there. I’m certain that my old Nissan would have been much better with the five speed, as well.

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**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-have-a-honda-problem/24068/55 "2007-02-24T12:16:08Z")

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Drove a newe SI today. Best Car I have driven in a long time.

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