# I just lost my largest customer to China. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 10, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153 "2006-03-10T19:31:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/81 "2008-03-20T12:36:10Z")
> [@d3x](#): > > fortunately for the machine shop i work for, China’s quality issues and the outsourcing thats causing our competition to close their doors are the main reasons we are flourishing. you cant skimp on quality on equipment like this… Yeah but you can on airplanes. Strange huh. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/82 "2008-03-20T12:39:47Z")
It’s all about variables in cost and engineering. Some things are better done in the US - namely short-turnaround, high complexity design and machining work, etc. Mind you, many “high-quality” things are made in China, too. Example: how many people consider their iPods a POS? ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/83 "2008-03-20T12:40:14Z")
> [@d3x](#): > > you cant skimp on quality on equipment like this… sure you can the end product will still be rubble… I just love it bean counters and… ---
**Author:** ![Violator](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/violator/32/7278_2.png) [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/84 "2008-03-20T12:41:45Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > I’m not going to bother getting into it, but you can’t blame the Asian countries. The blame is solely within our own country. Exactly. We have morons running this country. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/85 "2008-03-20T12:41:51Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > how many people consider their iPods a POS? I do :redface: ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/86 "2008-03-20T12:42:06Z")
The question is more about how often will you have to service the machine that makes the rubble… lol ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/87 "2008-03-20T12:42:56Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Mind you, many “high-quality” things are made in China, too. Example: how many people consider their iPods a POS? Are we talking about average consumers? Or people that stop to consider this topic? Eitherway, I do - and I refuse to own one. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/88 "2008-03-20T12:45:04Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Are we talking about average consumers? Or people that stop to consider this topic? > > Eitherway, I do - and I refuse to own one. 🙂 . ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/89 "2008-03-20T12:51:42Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > Yeah but you can on airplanes. Strange huh. apparently downtime for airlines is less costly to the company than downtime for mining companies. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/90 "2008-03-20T13:01:17Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Mind you, many “high-quality” things are made in China, too. Example: how many people consider their iPods a POS? 👋 ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/91 "2008-03-20T13:18:48Z")
> [@Eazy716](#): > > not to be devils advocate here, but you guys realise why jobs are being outsourced, right? > > businesses are cutting costs as much as possible, and when someone can provide the same thing for half or more than half the cost, it makes business sense…especially if that business is an international entity. > > i work for one of the largest financial institutions in the world, and guess what my job is…global resourcing. its truely my job to outsource jobs. now I will also say that in the 3 years i’ve been doing this, we have added about 500 jobs in India, and 100 in Philippines, BUT have not once cut an employee here to do so. The main key is an effective balance. We continue to grow in India and the Philippines, but dont get any smaller here in the US. > > and I can also tell you that alot of jobs will end up coming back here someday. Those countries that everyone is running to, to create cheaper labor are starting to realise they can charge more for their services, and they keep going up. So at some point in time, I believe alot of the jobs will come back simply because those countries will out-price their value. And obviously not immediately, could take a good deal of time, but I still see it happening at some point in time. I can’t believe I forgot to mention that back a few years ago when the manufacturing jobs were leaving people were saying, “Don’t worry about manufacturing jobs, we can all work in the service sector.” Fast forward to your post. Bank jobs going over seas. I just had to mention that, I am not blaming anyone, just pointing out the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/92 "2008-03-20T13:25:38Z")
yup, sad reality unfortunately ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/93 "2008-03-20T13:57:58Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > 👋 LOL - ok. But Apple does own 70% of the market for portable music players… and that was facilitated by the use of Chinese manufacturing. And then again, one other thing that this recession has helped - it’s made the dollar’s value tank (record lows against the Euro and Yen), which means that America is becoming a global “low-cost producer”… so much so that VW is thinking of building plants in the US. Unfortunately, China pegs its currency to the dollar, so there’s no help there. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/94 "2008-03-20T14:00:43Z")
Good and scary read so far. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/95 "2008-03-20T14:02:23Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > LOL - ok. But Apple does own 70% of the market for portable music players… and that was facilitated by the use of Chinese manufacturing. > > And then again, one other thing that this recession has helped - it’s made the dollar’s value tank (record lows against the Euro and Yen), which means that America is becoming a global “low-cost producer”… so much so that VW is thinking of building plants in the US. > > Unfortunately, China pegs its currency to the dollar, so there’s no help there. Apples market share is more the result of marketing then it is of chinese manufacturing. There is no astounding profit made on the equipment itself. ---
**Author:** ![Cavi\_Mike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cavi_mike/32/5217_2.png) [@Cavi\_Mike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cavi_Mike)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/96 "2008-03-20T14:06:12Z")
> [@Eazy716](#): > > its truely my job to outsource jobs. Wow. Scumbag Americans really will do anything to fill their wallets. Don’t ever let me run into you. ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/97 "2008-03-20T14:08:42Z")
im just here to say ipods are gay ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/98 "2008-03-20T14:10:33Z")
> [@Cavi Mike](#): > > Wow. Scumbag Americans really will do anything to fill their wallets. Don’t ever let me run into you. Americans who are obsessed with their bottom line are the main reason that jobs **have** to be outsourced. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/99 "2008-03-20T14:25:58Z")
> [@Cavi Mike](#): > > Wow. Scumbag Americans really will do anything to fill their wallets. Don’t ever let me run into you. yes, you’re right, shame on me for having a good job. If you worked in my company I’d send your job tomorrow. oh noez internet threats ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153/100 "2008-03-20T14:38:42Z")
> [@Cavi Mike](#): > > Wow. Scumbag Americans really will do anything to fill their wallets. Don’t ever let me run into you. oh ya…and you must not have read the sentence following the one you decided to quote > [@Eazy716](#): > > its truely my job to outsource jobs. now I will also say that in the 3 years i’ve been doing this, we have added about 500 jobs in India, and 100 in Philippines, **BUT have not once cut an employee here to do so.** [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-just-lost-my-largest-customer-to-china/9153.md?page=6)