# If you HAD to vote TODAY **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [April 25, 2008, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618 "2008-04-25T21:16:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/41 "2008-04-27T19:24:53Z")
its all a penis envy game he did what his dad couldnt its all bullshit ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/42 "2008-04-27T19:25:26Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#): > > killing osama doesnt make a difference, if we kill him some real pissed off towel head will just take his place and probably do somthing rash when he attacks us, bad outweighs the good there, plus hes just hidin up in some cave somewhere embarrassed. I bet if we really wanted to kill him hed be dead tomoro You just admitted a few years of GWB talk about finding the bad guys was bullshit, > [@1.8tV-Dub](#): > > the senate voted we could go there to find “weapons of mass destruction” and he claimed they were tied with 911 no chance we could have pulled that over any other country, they played their cards well The Senate was fed the same bullshit as we were. That doesn’t justify it. Read up on Plame Affair. ---
**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/43 "2008-04-27T19:26:37Z")
I can guarantee Osama Bin Laden is not hiding in a cave or embarrassed. He is a member of a billionaire family and is somewhere enjoying life right now. There was no WMD’s in Iraq (not that it is our business anyway as Iraq never threatened us prior to the war) and they were not tied to 911 at all. Congress never declared war. Don’t say that they played their cards well because kids our age are dying for nothing and it’s sickening. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/44 "2008-04-27T19:28:25Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#): > > and what exactly would those be? falsifying intelligence, Voting scandals (diebold, fla., ohio), Valerie Plame, Iran nuclear threat, etc… ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/45 "2008-04-27T19:29:11Z")
im saying gwb played his cards right, and to say the senate was completely innocent is :nono > [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > You just admitted a few years of GWB talk about finding the bad guys was bullshit, > > The Senate was fed the same bullshit as we were. That doesn’t justify it. > > Read up on Plame Affair. finding the bad guys is bullshit for the most part, that doesnt mean we arent going to do it anyways > [@LKSi](#): > > I can guarantee Osama Bin Laden is not hiding in a cave or embarrassed. He is a member of a billionaire family and is somewhere enjoying life right now. There was no WMD’s in Iraq (not that it is our business anyway as Iraq never threatened us prior to the war) and they were not tied to 911 at all. Congress never declared war. Don’t say that they played their cards well because kids our age are dying for nothing and it’s sickening. look man I dont agree with any of it, doesnt mean im not stupid and I can see whats goin on. You may be right that he enjoying life somewhere but who really knows. Sure they never threatened us and we had no right to go to war there, but we did and we’re there now so… and gwb played his cards dude, he made tons of money being president, like I said hes a smart motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/46 "2008-04-27T19:32:12Z")
I know he played his cards, just don’t say he played his cards right because everything is wrong. I can agree with you that he is richer now and he will get even richer because once he’s out he will probably come up with some domestic oil company that isn’t a deadbeat business like all of his prior ventures. Like I said… plutocracy, not democracy. ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/47 "2008-04-27T19:33:57Z")
hey the mess isnt his problem anymore, now its up to the idiots running for president now, and he will proably lobby to drill domestic oil and own that and make even more money, america’s the real land of oppertunity isnt it? Its a real bitch to. ---
**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/48 "2008-04-27T19:35:11Z")
Yeah the land of opportunity… the more money, the more opportunities you get. ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/49 "2008-04-27T19:38:40Z")
thats why I’m going to college for business real soon, guarenteed graduate school acceptance ftw!! and I have a guarenteed internship my 5th year so I’ll get paid that year instead of payin ;D pretty soon I’m gonna be that asshole with more money and “oppertunity” than he knows what to do with, or I’ll die in a firey car or motorcycle crash becaus I plan on getting one of those soon. ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/50 "2008-04-27T19:40:57Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#): > > thats why I’m going to college for business real soon, guarenteed graduate school acceptance ftw!! and I have a guarenteed internship my 5th year so I’ll get paid that year instead of payin ;D pretty soon I’m gonna be that asshole with more money and “oppertunity” than he knows what to do with, or I’ll die in a firey car or motorcycle crash becaus I plan on getting one of those soon. show me this internship. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/51 "2008-04-27T19:43:30Z")
emo \_ internship ahhhh shit that equals another stain on clothing ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/52 "2008-04-27T19:43:35Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#): > > im saying gwb played his cards right, and to say the senate was completely innocent is :nono > finding the bad guys is bullshit for the most part, that doesnt mean we arent going to do it anyways Played what cards right? You are basically saying a scandal occured? Senate was GOP dominated at the time too. Yes, it was bullshit but that’s the problem. The people wanted revenge not another man’s agenda. > [@1.8tV-Dub](#): > > look man I dont agree with any of it, doesnt mean im not stupid and I can see whats goin on. You may be right that he enjoying life somewhere but who really knows. Sure they never threatened us and we had no right to go to war there, but we did and we’re there now so… and gwb played his cards dude, he made tons of money being president, like I said hes a smart motherfucker. It’s terrible that you have truth to this. ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/53 "2008-04-27T19:49:41Z")
yeah it really is terrible that I can back up the shit that I’m saying but hell what can you do right. And joey the internship is my 5th year of college, then I go on to graduate school, not sure where yet though, I’ve only made my decision of what school I’m going to. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmerz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmerz/32/6370_2.png) [@Jimmerz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jimmerz)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/54 "2008-04-28T13:19:20Z")
> [@LKSi](#): > > If we wanted to “steal” oil, then we should be in Saudi Arabia. Gas prices aren’t going down no matter what because oil companies are enjoying their record profits and the leaders of our nation are enjoying the kickbacks. And for some reason the oil industry appears not to be affected by the monopoly laws that broke up Standard Oil due to the lack of regulation despite only 3-4 major companies controlling 99% of the oil refining in the world. It is not Iraq that is driving gas prices up… it’s the rich executives at the major oil corporations. > > Let me ask you this question. What would you do if the Iraqis just suddenly invaded the U.S.? Would you stand there and fire at them with a musket like they did in the Civil War or would you do whatever it takes to get them out of here (IE homemade explosive… etc)? We need to get out of Iraq ASAP. Our presence there is completely unjustified and futile. When the ceo of Exxon Mobil says to senator shumner that “we here at Exxon Mobil don’t believe in alternative fuels” there’s a fucking problem here… lol The house and senate for the most part are in bed with big oil… Until that umbilical cord gets severed there’s never going to be cheap gas. Plus factor in how much military equipment we have being used that runs on gas or diesel in Iraq/dirka dirka stan and some other countries and then see how much petrol they use on a daily basis… gas prices spiked real good when this war started… Because the oil companies knew that because of this war demand for their product would go up… and keep going up for years to come, then add to the fact India and china are becoming heavily industrialized very rapidly and using larger and larger quantities of oil and gas… and then factor in almost every member of opec is from the middle east and then factor in they don’t really like us even though they say they do it’s that fake ass smile like Hilary gives… you know their selling oil to china for less than they are to us…then factor in people are being stupid and holding the value of oil to a higher standard then gold or other precious metals… the weak dollar, the stronger European currency… It’s all playing a factor at the pumps. What we need are more anti oil people in government and anti monopoly senators and representatives in our government seats. If that means outing every fucking one of them then that’s what we should do. Unfortunately not enough people feel the same way yet in order for it to actually happen. ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/55 "2008-04-28T14:14:29Z")
> [@Jimmerz](#): > > What we need are more anti oil people in government and anti monopoly senators and representatives in our government seats. If that means outing every fucking one of them then that’s what we should do. Unfortunately not enough people feel the same way yet in order for it to actually happen. wait till gas prices get to $7-$8/gal, that’ll light a fire under their asses. you can’t just keep driving gas prices up and hope people won’t give a shit, eventually it will just get too damn expensive to be practical. ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/56 "2008-04-29T07:15:50Z")
> [@Jimmerz](#): > > When the ceo of Exxon Mobil says to senator shumner that “we here at Exxon Mobil don’t believe in alternative fuels” there’s a fucking problem here… lol > **The house and senate for the most part are in bed with big oil… Until that umbilical cord gets severed there’s never going to be cheap gas.** Plus factor in how much military equipment we have being used that runs on gas or diesel in Iraq/dirka dirka stan and some other countries and then see how much petrol they use on a daily basis… gas prices spiked real good when this war started… Because the oil companies knew that because of this war demand for their product would go up… and keep going up for years to come, then add to the fact India and china are becoming heavily industrialized very rapidly and using larger and larger quantities of oil and gas… and then factor in almost every member of opec is from the middle east and then factor in they don’t really like us even though they say they do it’s that fake ass smile like Hilary gives… you know their selling oil to china for less than they are to us…then factor in people are being stupid and holding the value of oil to a higher standard then gold or other precious metals… the weak dollar, the stronger European currency… It’s all playing a factor at the pumps. What we need are more anti oil people in government and anti monopoly senators and representatives in our government seats. If that means outing every fucking one of them then that’s what we should do. Unfortunately not enough people feel the same way yet in order for it to actually happen. You do realize that because we are in bed with the oil companies that we pay some of the cheapest gas prices in the world right? Just because we were paying $2/Gal 5 years ago and now we are paying $4/gal, everyone is complaining. Wah wah wah, I can’t afford to drive my $40,000 SUV anymore because gas prices are pushing me over my financial limit since I spent so much for the car. Go europe for a month. Come back and I guarantee you that you will not be complaining… ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/57 "2008-04-29T07:39:42Z")
> [@97VR4](#): > > Come back and I guarantee you that you will not be complaining… You do realize that their cars are much more fuel friendly than ours and their public transporation is light years ahead of ours? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmerz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmerz/32/6370_2.png) [@Jimmerz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jimmerz)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618/58 "2008-04-30T15:00:44Z")
> [@97VR4](#): > > You do realize that because we are in bed with the oil companies that we pay some of the cheapest gas prices in the world right? > > Just because we were paying $2/Gal 5 years ago and now we are paying $4/gal, everyone is complaining. Wah wah wah, I can’t afford to drive my $40,000 SUV anymore because gas prices are pushing me over my financial limit since I spent so much for the car. Go europe for a month. Come back and I guarantee you that you will not be complaining… Do you realize the cheapest gas in the world is not anywhere in the usa? were about in the middle of the pack right now. Try country’s such as Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Kuwait. their governments offset the price of fuel for their citizens so a gallon of fuel in Kuwait is like 78 cents, in Venezuela its 12 cents… i don’t own a 40 thousand dollar suv, i own a couple of cars but a gas guzzler isn’t one of them. I don’t give a flying shit about Europe i care about me, my country and my neighbors i could give two shits about Europe because i don’t live, or work there… i work and live here in newyork in the united states of America. i don’t care if they pay 4 or 5 dollars or 6 euro’s for a liter of gas… i care about my wallet and how it’s affecting me, my country that wages have been stagnant and have slowly drifted further and further away from the cost of living in the opposite direction for the last ten fucking years yet the medical insurance premiums, gas, heating oil, and fucking toilet paper has gone up. So yeah i am going to bitch because the cost of liveing goes up and wages stay the same your going to struggle. so yeah i am bitching and i think i have a right to bitch. > **[Gasoline and diesel usage and pricing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing)** > > The usage and pricing of gasoline (or petrol) results from factors such as crude oil prices, processing and distribution costs, local demand, the strength of local currencies, local taxation, and the availability of local sources of gasoline (supply). Since fuels are traded worldwide, the trade prices are similar. The price paid by consumers largely reflects national pricing policy. Most countries impose taxes on gasoline (petrol), which causes air pollution and climate change; whereas a ... [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-you-had-to-vote-today/236618.md?page=2)