# illegal car **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817 "2009-12-02T15:31:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Firehawk853](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/firehawk853/32/7607_2.png) [@Firehawk853](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Firehawk853)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/41 "2009-12-03T17:42:38Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > That surely does suck. > > Why don’t you post up a quick list of points so everyone can read the sticky forever. I know this would probably answer a lot of peoples questions. Law is often times confusing and doesn’t ever seem to make sense. x2 cliff notes would be nice? ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/42 "2009-12-03T18:00:09Z")
I’ve always loved these cars, its sad to see it crushed. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/43 "2009-12-03T18:44:52Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > Why don’t you post up a quick list of points so everyone can read the sticky forever. I know this would probably answer a lot of peoples questions. Law is often times confusing and doesn’t ever seem to make sense. Here’s a quick few pages that I have bookmarked for when I bring things across. [http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic\_trade/export\_docs/motor\_vehicle.xml](http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml) [http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic\_trade/importing\_car.xml](http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/importing_car.xml) [http://www.epa.gov/OMS/imports/](http://www.epa.gov/OMS/imports/) > **[Importing a Vehicle | NHTSA](https://www.nhtsa.gov/importing-vehicle)** If you’re thinking about dealing with customs and you have no experience, I HIGHLY recommend a lawyer and or a broker to help you with a border crossing. However, keep in mind unless you have money to waste you won’t be bringing a Skyline, TVR, WRC homologation model or any of the above in without federalization unless the government has pre-approved it. Keep in mind, even some Canadian and international models while the same will NOT be issued a letter due to wiring or small emissions differences. And no, you can’t just slap the US spec parts on, it has to go through the entire RI process at a US Bonded RI. Which will cost you between $5k and $40k depending on the car. Edit: Oh yeah, and just because something is legal on ONE of those above pages doesn’t mean it is legal to do. You need to cross the laws and regulations for CBP, EPA, and DOT (federal not local, local doesn’t give a shit) and find the correct set of rules that apply to whatever SPECIFIC thing you are trying to do. ---
**Author:** ![bananas25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@bananas25](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bananas25)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/44 "2009-12-04T04:39:00Z")
> [@XwalkerX](#): > > …x2… X3 ---
**Author:** ![bananas25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@bananas25](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bananas25)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/45 "2009-12-04T04:40:12Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > :io: X3 ---
**Author:** ![bananas25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@bananas25](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bananas25)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/46 "2009-12-04T04:49:32Z")
[QUOTE=Coldaccord;1532737]oh yeah? how, pray tell, is that[/QUOTE Would that not be a false statement ---
**Author:** ![bananas25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@bananas25](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bananas25)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/47 "2009-12-04T04:52:39Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > :io: X3 ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/48 "2009-12-04T05:02:10Z")
> [@Viper966](#): > > yes there was… Raven had one back in the UBRF days > > edit maybe his isnt a 94 I think his was a 94 ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/49 "2009-12-04T06:24:24Z")
I can’t believe all the “How could they take it?” HE WAS SMUGGLING IT!!! He could bring it in as a show or race car, but he was smuggling it in, hence not using proper documentation. My old roommate works for customs, they know what they are looking for. Just like if you are bringing over $10k cash over the boarder, perfectly legal if you fill out the paper work and can prove where it came from. But people who made the money illegally aren’t going to do that are they, so if they get caught, every last dime of that $10k belongs to customs. Should have brought it over in pieces and assembled it here. A LOT of cars are brought over that way. ---
**Author:** ![Pauly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pauly/32/7493_2.png) [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/50 "2009-12-04T07:13:13Z")
MPD47 appears to know wtf he’s talking about and have knowledge on this subject. I have a question going the other way- if i were to take my 68 camaro to toronto motorsports park for armdrop live what do i need to cross the border with the car on a trailer? ---
**Author:** ![blk99z28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@blk99z28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blk99z28)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/51 "2009-12-04T07:27:24Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > Here’s a quick few pages that I have bookmarked for when I bring things across. > > [http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic\_trade/export\_docs/motor\_vehicle.xml](http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml) > [http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic\_trade/importing\_car.xml](http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/importing_car.xml) > [http://www.epa.gov/OMS/imports/](http://www.epa.gov/OMS/imports/) > [Importing a Vehicle | NHTSA](http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/) > > If you’re thinking about dealing with customs and you have no experience, I HIGHLY recommend a lawyer and or a broker to help you with a border crossing. However, keep in mind unless you have money to waste you won’t be bringing a Skyline, TVR, WRC homologation model or any of the above in without federalization unless the government has pre-approved it. Keep in mind, even some Canadian and international models while the same will NOT be issued a letter due to wiring or small emissions differences. And no, you can’t just slap the US spec parts on, it has to go through the entire RI process at a US Bonded RI. Which will cost you between $5k and $40k depending on the car. > > Edit: Oh yeah, and just because something is legal on ONE of those above pages doesn’t mean it is legal to do. You need to cross the laws and regulations for CBP, EPA, and DOT (federal not local, local doesn’t give a shit) and find the correct set of rules that apply to whatever SPECIFIC thing you are trying to do. MPD47, Do those rules apply to bringing car into the US to register for use on public roads? Or do they apply to bringing a non US spec car into the country at all? I can see the argument for public use. But if someone wanted to use it as a track only car and never register it, I don’t see why that shouldbe an issue. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/52 "2009-12-04T07:30:28Z")
dont you think there would be like a million “track only” skylines if that were the case… ---
**Author:** ![blk99z28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@blk99z28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blk99z28)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/53 "2009-12-04T07:46:15Z")
> [@XwalkerX](#): > > dont you think there would be like a million “track only” skylines if that were the case… Just because they are here doesn’t mean that you have the ability to register it for public use. And so what if there are a million skylines being trailered to tracks. How is that different from a MIllion other track cars that aren’t street legal being trailered around. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/54 "2009-12-04T07:53:41Z")
lol argue and reason all you want bottom line is they arent allowed… ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/55 "2009-12-04T08:00:44Z")
> [@XwalkerX](#): > > lol argue and reason all you want bottom line is they arent allowed… Everything is allowed when you have… Ask O.J. ---
**Author:** ![brilliantyellowg60](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6f9a4e/32.png) [@brilliantyellowg60](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brilliantyellowg60)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/56 "2009-12-04T09:40:30Z")
> [@Firehawk853](#): > > x2 > cliff notes would be nice? > [@MPD47](#): > > Here’s a quick few pages that I have bookmarked for when I bring things across. > > [http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic\_trade/export\_docs/motor\_vehicle.xml](http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml) > [http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic\_trade/importing\_car.xml](http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/importing_car.xml) > [http://www.epa.gov/OMS/imports/](http://www.epa.gov/OMS/imports/) > [Importing a Vehicle | NHTSA](http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/) > > If you’re thinking about dealing with customs and you have no experience, I HIGHLY recommend a lawyer and or a broker to help you with a border crossing. However, keep in mind unless you have money to waste you won’t be bringing a Skyline, TVR, WRC homologation model or any of the above in without federalization unless the government has pre-approved it. Keep in mind, even some Canadian and international models while the same will NOT be issued a letter due to wiring or small emissions differences. And no, you can’t just slap the US spec parts on, it has to go through the entire RI process at a US Bonded RI. Which will cost you between $5k and $40k depending on the car. > > Edit: Oh yeah, and just because something is legal on ONE of those above pages doesn’t mean it is legal to do. You need to cross the laws and regulations for CBP, EPA, and DOT (federal not local, local doesn’t give a shit) and find the correct set of rules that apply to whatever SPECIFIC thing you are trying to do. I couldnt have said it better myself if you think it is going to be easy, think again if you think it is going to be cheap, think again if you think the govt will not fabricate federal charges against you in order to get what they want, think again my plate said this for a reason ![http://www.smokedtires.com/photography/9_10_2005_Rallye/DSC_0279_750.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/5/0/502816da76820c7aca9752abbf5568778e409538.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/57 "2009-12-04T10:34:04Z")
> [@Pauly](#): > > MPD47 appears to know wtf he’s talking about and have knowledge on this subject. I have a question going the other way- if i were to take my 68 camaro to toronto motorsports park for armdrop live what do i need to cross the border with the car on a trailer? I do this a lot with the Z. The documentation I carry with me is the: Truck Registration/Insurance Trailer Registration/Insurance Car in trailer proof of ownership > [@blk99z28](#): > > MPD47, Do those rules apply to bringing car into the US to register for use on public roads? Or do they apply to bringing a non US spec car into the country at all? I already addressed this a page or two ago, as did Walker. ---
**Author:** ![bananas25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@bananas25](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bananas25)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/58 "2009-12-04T20:54:24Z")
Similar thing happened to Bill Gates. US Customs seized his 959. It took him thirteen years, 85k in mods, and a law passed by the president to drive it in the states. > **[At Long Last: Federalizing the Porsche 959 has been a long road. Now, at least,...](http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/long-last-federalizing-porsche-959-has-been-long-road-now-least-it-can-be-traversed)** > > Bruce Canepa has managed to finish what Al Holbert started, and that’s to import and federalize Porsche’s 1988 wundercar, the 959. The all-wheel-drive, twin sequential turbo 959 was ... O and i think he actually engineered a computer program to demonstrate a crash test of the 959 ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/59 "2009-12-05T01:29:03Z")
doesnt seinfeld have one also? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817/60 "2009-12-05T01:54:44Z")
Yes, he has one of (if not the) largest private Porsche collections in the world. Last I heard it was two hangers at LAX, plus a garage in So Cal plus his pad in NYC. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/illegal-car/76817.md?page=4)