# im not racist but i have a question.
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780
**Category:** Shift518 Off Topic
**Created:** [August 4, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780 "2011-08-04T17:59:38Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Eatonualive](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eatonualive)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/121 "2011-08-05T13:08:56Z")
native americans were living here originally until we took their land…errrbody out, now!
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### Author:  [@REDWGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/REDWGN)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/122 "2011-08-05T13:09:46Z")
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### Author:  [@xfinite](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/xfinite)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/123 "2011-08-05T13:18:25Z")
I’ve never understood the logic behind being proud of something you have no control over (like skin color). How many people are proud to be 6ft tall or proud to have brown eyes? Being proud to be from a piece of land you happened to be born on is silly as well to me. You did nothing to attain these things.
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### Author:  [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/124 "2011-08-05T13:39:15Z")
> [@FS: Injen Intake and Upper Intercooler Piping UICP Just Polished](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-injen-intake-and-upper-intercooler-piping-uicp-just-polished/44375/4):
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> As far as immigration goes, let me just say the immigration system is fucked. How do I know this you may ask? Well we (my family) sponsor a kid we have known for about 12 years, came here when he was 15-16. One of the hardest working people i have ever met in my life, would help anyone at the drop of a hat for next to nothing, can do almost anything.
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> Honestly a good person, has never done anything wrong, is legally married here, legally has a Tax ID for his buisness (tell me thats not fucked, hes considered here illegal, and yet he can get a Tax ID for his buisness) Has 2 kids, one recent and an older son who my daughter gets to play with.
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> He was here legally for quite some time, and overstayed his visa. Now one thing I find absoloutely hysterical is that a judge asked him if he had ever payed taxes up to this point, he told him for a few years yes but afterwords no (at that point he was here illegally) they critisized him for not paying taxes for the 8 years he was here, well, as you know he was here illegally, how do you exspect him to pay taxes, because i can tell you right now, if all it took was for this kid to pay any back tax to stay here, he’d take all of his savings and work his ass off to pay it.
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> Thats not the only thing, i cant really talk about much more given that were still going through everything, but as far as immigration court goes and some of the procedures that go along with it, they need to be worked on big time.
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> Theres to many scumbags that get to stay here an for BS reasons, while someone who just wanted to get away from a shithole and make a good life for himself must jump through some serious hoops to try and proove why he thinks he should be able to stay in this country
> [@S14 "cleanup"](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-cleanup/43922/52):
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> Belive me he’d have no problem doing it if he could, but he cannot pay taxes. If you are here illegally and do not hold a valid visa, or a social security card or whatever legal identification they give you you cannot pay taxes.
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> So to harp on someone that wants to live here legally, enjoy a job legally and all the benefits of living here legally, and is doing everything to do so just because they dont pay taxes because the legally cannot until they become a permanent resident is just dumb
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> There are a lot of immgirants here that I do not think should be, and some of them are here legally with open arms, and they are some of the worst offenders when it comes to legality. But there are some seriously good hard working people that would give you the shirts off their back because its the right thing to do that have such a hard time staying, while others from harsh drug trafficing countries can get here legally because they can somehow proove that if they go home they will be killed
[http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes\_N.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm)
You were saying…?
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### Author:  [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/125 "2011-08-05T13:47:05Z")
> [@WTB: Rusty, obd-1 honda](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-rusty-obd-1-honda/44427/6):
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> [http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes\_N.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm)
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> You were saying…?
There is no way of telling how many immigrants pay taxes since there’s no clear number of how many are here. The ones that do file are paying under a stolen or made up SSN or tax ID number.
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### Author:  [@REDWGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/REDWGN)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/126 "2011-08-05T13:49:40Z")
PJB: “The ones that do pay just use monopoly money. I used to play monopoly but I left it in the bed of my truck and it rained.”
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### Author:  [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/127 "2011-08-05T13:50:52Z")
> [@Are there any banks in the area that have the free coin counting machines?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-there-any-banks-in-the-area-that-have-the-free-coin-counting-machines/44420/45):
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> I’ve never understood the logic behind being proud of something you have no control over (like skin color). How many people are proud to be 6ft tall or proud to have brown eyes? Being proud to be from a piece of land you happened to be born on is silly as well to me. You did nothing to attain these things.
Ryan Kramer
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### Author:  [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/128 "2011-08-05T13:53:07Z")
Hes 6 feet tall and proud.
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### Author:  [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/129 "2011-08-05T13:54:10Z")
So am I
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### Author:  [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/130 "2011-08-05T13:55:41Z")
> [@You know you're comfortable with your sexuality when....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-know-youre-comfortable-with-your-sexuality-when/44361/51):
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> There is no way of telling how many immigrants pay taxes since there’s no clear number of how many are here. The ones that do file are paying under a stolen or made up SSN or tax ID number.
Good job at reading.
“The IRS also has been issuing Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers, or ITINs, for 12 years to foreigners without a Social Security number. It’s believed that many workers who seek the ITINs are in the country illegally, and the IRS reported that there were 2.5 million tax returns filed with an ITIN in 2004.”
Yes, there were 9 million W2 forms that used mismatched names/SSNs, but it doesn’t say anything about stolen. Plus if the “stolen” numbers matched that of a citizen, then there’d prolly be quite the fiasco involved.
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### Author:  [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/131 "2011-08-05T13:56:03Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/358):
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> So am I
then thats 2 I know of.
BAM statistics just happened!
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### Author:  [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/132 "2011-08-05T13:58:04Z")
> [@You know you're comfortable with your sexuality when....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-know-youre-comfortable-with-your-sexuality-when/44361/51):
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> There is no way of telling how many immigrants pay taxes since there’s no clear number of how many are here. The ones that do file are paying under a stolen or made up SSN or tax ID number.
Did you not read the article?
IRS has a division dedicated to illigals paying taxes without a need for SSN. SSN agency itself estimates that 3/4 of illegals contribute to the tax system.
Look at the revenue numbers.
These guys voluntarily pay taxes even if nothin happens when they don’t while Americans sit there and bitch about tax and would LOVE to collect unemployment and work under the table at the same time.
You guys are ignorant as fuck. They come from a different culture where you should work hard and that’s a normal mental state and that it’s a proper thing to pay taxes even if not enforced. Plus they feel like they owe the courty for helping them establish a good living.
(don’t forget they also get taxes withheld from paychecks and they pay taxes on everything they buy)
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### Author:  [@REDWGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/REDWGN)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/133 "2011-08-05T13:58:31Z")
TALL PRIDE ITT
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### Author:  [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/134 "2011-08-05T14:03:25Z")
> [@Feeler: 1998 CBR600F3](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/feeler-1998-cbr600f3/44342/22):
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> Did you not read the article?
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> IRS has a division dedicated to illigals paying taxes without a need for SSN. SSN agency itself estimates that 3/4 of illegals contribute to the tax system.
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> Look at the revenue numbers.
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> These guys voluntarily pay taxes even if nothin happens when they don’t while Americans sit there and bitch about tax and would LOVE to collect unemployment and work under the table at the same time.
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> You guys are ignorant as fuck. They come from a different culture where you should work hard and that’s a normal mental state and that it’s a proper thing to pay taxes even if not enforced. Plus they feel like they owe the courty for helping them establish a good living.
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> (don’t forget they also get taxes withheld from paychecks and they pay taxes on everything they buy)
If they felt they owed the country then why not come here legally instead of living in the shadows? You can sugar coat it all you want but they broke our laws in coming here.
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### Author:  [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/135 "2011-08-05T14:03:29Z")
> [@Feeler: 1998 CBR600F3](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/feeler-1998-cbr600f3/44342/22):
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> Did you not read the article?
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> IRS has a division dedicated to illigals paying taxes without a need for SSN. SSN agency itself estimates that 3/4 of illegals contribute to the tax system.
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> Look at the revenue numbers.
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> These guys voluntarily pay taxes even if nothin happens when they don’t while Americans sit there and bitch about tax and would LOVE to collect unemployment and work under the table at the same time.
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> You guys are ignorant as fuck. They come from a different culture where you should work hard and that’s a normal mental state and that it’s a proper thing to pay taxes even if not enforced. Plus they feel like they owe the courty for helping them establish a good living.
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> (don’t forget they also get taxes withheld from paychecks and they pay taxes on everything they buy)
Seems like it was a typical response from someone who was proven wrong.
1. Say they don’t pay taxes.
2. Get proven wrong by someone else, with proof.
3. Complain that illegal immigrants had to steal SSNs in order to pay taxes.
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### Author:  [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/136 "2011-08-05T14:07:13Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/361):
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> If they felt they owed the country then why not come here legally instead of living in the shadows? You can sugar coat it all you want but they broke our laws in coming here.
Well I don’t see them being arrested. Why? Because they contribute to society and the country, more than those collecting welfare, unemployment, etc…
I’m willing to bet that most of them were here on a VISA which has since been expired.
I don’t care if they’re illegal or not, they are still required to be here in order for our economy to get better. Like others have said, they’ll do all the shitty jobs without complaining about shitty pay. They work their asses off, and their bosses know they’re getting what they are paying for. I’m sure many people on Shift would have a lot of explaining to do if their bosses found out they browsed Shift while getting paid to do work for the company.
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### Author:  [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/137 "2011-08-05T14:07:31Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/362):
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> Seems like it was a typical response from someone who was proven wrong.
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> 1. Say they don’t pay taxes.
> 2. Get proven wrong by someone else, with proof.
> 3. Complain that illegal immigrants had to steal SSNs in order to pay taxes.
I want to see what Shady has to say on the matter after he went off saying how his friend _couldn’t_ pay taxes.
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### Author:  [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/138 "2011-08-05T14:07:41Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/362):
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> Seems like it was a typical response from someone who was proven wrong.
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> 1. Say they don’t pay taxes.
> 2. Get proven wrong by someone else, with proof.
> 3. Complain that illegal immigrants had to steal SSNs in order to pay taxes.
I’ve personally seen it numerous times and it’s frustrating.
I meet with a person of Mexican descent to sell him some equpiment for his shop. I spend hours with him going over specs, doing CAD drawings and filling our paperwork. I run his credit app. and his SSN is invalid. I ask him if he knows his SSN is invalid and he says well yeah because I’m an illegal. I can’t therefore get him financed and I lose the sale when I could’ve devoted my time to someone else. The worse part is they throw it in your face as if it’s not wrong and it’s bullshit.
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### Author:  [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/139 "2011-08-05T14:11:52Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/365):
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> I want to see what Shady has to say on the matter after he went off saying how his friend _couldn’t_ pay taxes.
Well paying the taxes would’ve been illegal, duhhhh.
> [@Anyone running Kumho Ecsta SPT?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-kumho-ecsta-spt/44404/19):
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> I’ve personally seen it numerous times and it’s frustrating.
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> I meet with a person of Mexican descent to sell him some equpiment for his shop. I spend hours with him going over specs, doing CAD drawings and filling our paperwork. I run his credit app. and his SSN is invalid. I ask him if he knows his SSN is invalid and he says well yeah because I’m an illegal. I can’t therefore get him financed and I lose the sale when I could’ve devoted my time to someone else. The worse part is they throw it in your face as if it’s not wrong and it’s bullshit.
So your hatred stems from stuff at work, semi-understandable. It’s a risk you take though, so take the bad with the good.
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### Author:  [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-not-racist-but-i-have-a-question/259780/140 "2011-08-05T14:12:26Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/361):
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> If they felt they owed the country then why not come here legally instead of living in the shadows? You can sugar coat it all you want but they broke our laws in coming here.
We broke many laws being established as a county.
Politicians break laws every day.
You break the law speeding while going into work.
American businesses and corporations break many many laws.
Everybody breaks the law by downloading material that doesn’t belong to them.
These guys risk their life and everything they had to come here and do honest labor.
So yeah “breaking the law” isn’t a very strong argument you got there.
Believe me if they really didnt contribute we would have had a national sweep done and ID checked on Mexican descent just like Airport security to get them all out. Clearly govt who is falling apart financially belives they contribute to economy and we would be worse off otherwise.
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