# Improper Muffler and Visible Emission tickets **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [May 20, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335 "2015-05-20T22:17:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Adam\_s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Adam\_s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adam_s13)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/1 "2015-05-20T22:17:06Z")
So, finally after seven months I took my car out of the storage . I mounted Temporary plates and took her for an evening ride around and to get fresh gas. I didn’t even managed to warm her up when Police stopped me. Fifteen minutes later - after my lights, plates, horn etc. were checked, I ended up with two tickets: 1. “Improper Muffler” ($85) 2. “Operate Light Vehicle - Does Not Exceed 4.500kg From Which Visible Emission”($365). I have an exhaust that looks like HKS Hi-Power with big, cannon like muffler, stock Cat Converter and big resonator. Believe it or not but it is a quiet system. There might have been visible smoke after the traffic light where I was stopped but I’m sure it was not from my car. There were many other cars taking of that intersection. I did not wanted to discuss that tickets with Policeman. The next morning (12 hours after getting tickets), without changing anything I took my car for Emission Test and passed with flying colors - everything at half the limits. I drove this car like that for last 7 years and never had problem with the Police. I bought it certified from the dealer. My car always passed emissions and even got another certificate 10 months ago when my new Insurance Company asked me for it by mistake. What is the definition of proper muffler in Ontario now? What is the best way to deal with these tickets and what should I do before I go to Court? What would you do? ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/2 "2015-05-21T03:36:11Z")
I’d move to MERICA. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/3 "2015-05-21T07:23:57Z")
I have the same HKS exhaust. Although I don’t know the appeals process where you live I’d do the Canadian version of pleading “not guilty” and take the paperwork showing emissions, etc. being fine. “Visible emission” is a joke. > [@Motocrossx23](#): > > I’d move to MERICA. Well, just be glad you don’t live in Quebec. I hear they’re getting super crazy up up there. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/4 "2015-05-21T07:42:10Z")
find a wizard to build you a new exhaust ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/5 "2015-05-21T07:56:00Z")
^^^will set canadien featherlight race car championship records in no time. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_B](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paul_b/32/5452_2.png) [@Paul\_B](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paul_B)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/6 "2015-05-21T08:26:28Z")
Delete everything for lightness. and then get out of Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/7 "2015-05-21T08:35:25Z")
The “Wizard” inside joke for those that don’t quite follow: [http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?282998-Custom-911-Exhaust](http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?282998-Custom-911-Exhaust) ---
**Author:** ![240sx\_nismo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@240sx\_nismo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/240sx_nismo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/8 "2015-05-22T10:59:42Z")
What part of toronto did this happen? ---
**Author:** ![Adam\_s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Adam\_s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adam_s13)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/9 "2015-05-22T15:35:09Z")
It was in Scarborough on Wednesday night. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/10 "2015-05-25T15:14:41Z")
fight them… bring your e-test… be respectful… fight the hell out of them ---
**Author:** ![Adam\_s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Adam\_s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adam_s13)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/11 "2015-05-26T14:31:07Z")
What should I bring for " Improper muffler" ticket and where can I get some kind of valid document to use in the Court? Is there some place in Ontario that measure loudness and issue some kind of certificate that my muffler is proper, and what is the legal definition of “Proper muffler” anyway? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/12 "2015-05-26T15:40:16Z")
i wouldnt worry about that ticket, use your emissions test to support that your exhaust is compliant in order to get away from that $365 ticket… the cop has to meet his quota to prove he was doing his job but the court wont care about that… you need to be respectful… this is largely relationship based not word of law based. ---
**Author:** ![Nismo240SX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nismo240sx/32/5755_2.png) [@Nismo240SX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nismo240SX)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/improper-muffler-and-visible-emission-tickets/272335/13 "2015-05-26T20:08:49Z")
Like bing said just go and be respectful in court. Before every court case like this proceeds, the prosecutor will take you aside before you go up to proceed your case and they will give you an offer like condition. Wether it be to drop one and pay the other, or a lesser charge. Either way, improper muffler is very odd but there is many subsections in the HTA that you can fight, like noise, smoking, and the actual purpose of a muffler. Tickets like these, as well as the stupid HID tickets, are all officer discretion.