# Innovatives LC-1 is GARBAGE **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [September 13, 2005, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320 "2005-09-13T11:50:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/1 "2005-09-13T11:50:21Z")
[http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1950](http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1950) mine is lame out of the box the analog outputs dont work. awsome product :rolleyes: oh, and the software supplied doesnt work with it, you need to go download the right software from their website. theres a company thats on the ball. ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/2 "2005-09-13T12:19:22Z")
the instructions say right in there to go to the sit to update first our analog outputs work fine :shrug: on the other hand, i quickly learned that a/f w/o rpm logging is pointless ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/3 "2005-09-13T12:24:05Z")
read the thread i linked. yours works now. if/when it doenst you will know why. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/4 "2005-09-13T12:29:28Z")
that’s disheartening. will keep shopping. ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/5 "2005-09-13T12:37:09Z")
if the analog outputs fail ONCE i WILL make sure that its returned for a full refund one of out an-outs will be used for a digital read out and one will be used to attempt to pacify the obd2 rear o2 sensor failure is not acceptable ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/6 "2005-09-13T13:09:54Z")
I went with this one. [http://www.wmsracing.com/o2/index.htm](http://www.wmsracing.com/o2/index.htm) ![http://www.westernmotorsports.ca/wmsweb/o2gifs/display_lg.gif](http://www.westernmotorsports.ca/wmsweb/o2gifs/display_lg.gif) Works the best with my standalone, and is tiny compared to that LM-1 suitcase. ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/7 "2005-09-13T13:24:55Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > Works the best with my standalone, and is tiny compared to that LM-1 suitcase. that lm1 “suitcase” isnt part of the lc1 unit … the lc1 looks like this and easily fits into spare space under the dash i love how the wms site doesnt mention that the innovate kits dont have the dash gauge option, lol ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/8 "2005-09-13T14:19:32Z")
I know we are talking about the LC-1. So its $350 for the LM-1, then another $229 for the dash mount gauge. $600 with shipping. :rolljerk: The LC-1 is $400 and is dash mountable. Thats comparable, but were not available when I bought mine, and apparently they are pieces of shit. Too each their own. ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/9 "2005-09-13T14:41:43Z")
yea, the apparent “pos” factor realy ruins the value lol ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/10 "2005-09-13T15:40:14Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > The LC-1 is $400 and is dash mountable. Thats comparable, but were not available when I bought mine, and apparently they are pieces of shit. > > Too each their own. i dont need any display, thats my issue. i use it for tuning, and i log with the software (map trace \> \*). if there is another compact no display just analog out controller out there POST A LINK. maybe they will upgrade these… as per that thread and a few others, this is a known issue, and its just 1 chip. ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/11 "2005-09-13T18:55:37Z")
if you dont need a display, then why not get an LM-1? ---
**Author:** ![halas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/898d66/32.png) [@halas](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/halas)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/12 "2005-09-13T19:25:32Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > I went with this one. > > [http://www.wmsracing.com/o2/index.htm](http://www.wmsracing.com/o2/index.htm) > > Works the best with my standalone, and is tiny compared to that LM-1 suitcase. That’s the one I got, thanks to your research and Xanders suggestion. It’s nice and tiny and fits perfectly in a small cubby hole below my stereo, almost looks like it belongs there. It’s a nice little unit. ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/13 "2005-09-13T19:33:59Z")
> [@halas](#): > > It’s a nice little unit. How do you know I have a “little unit”? :gay2: ---
**Author:** ![skatanic28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@skatanic28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skatanic28)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/14 "2005-09-13T22:08:42Z")
> [@Zer0DazE](#): > > i dont need any display, thats my issue. i use it for tuning, and i log with the software (map trace \> \*). if there is another compact no display just analog out controller out there POST A LINK. have you checked out the zeitronix zt-2? [http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm](http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm) 279 w/o the display. ---
**Author:** ![JSTANEON](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jstaneon/32/7267_2.png) [@JSTANEON](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSTANEON)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/15 "2005-09-14T04:17:47Z")
Ive know a bunch of ppl with these…zero problems…they’ve been up and running for 4 months now. :tup: Just a bad batch…sorry to hear ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/16 "2005-09-14T05:07:14Z")
> [@skatanic28](#): > > have you checked out the zeitronix zt-2? [http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm](http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm) > > 279 w/o the display. i looked at it before, but just for a sec. now that i look at the site, thats a pretty nice piece. it logs rpm with out and like 5 other inputs out of the box for under 300. ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/17 "2005-09-14T05:35:01Z")
> [@Zer0DazE](#): > > i looked at it before, but just for a sec. > > now that i look at the site, thats a pretty nice piece. it logs rpm with out and like 5 other inputs out of the box for under 300. I seriously considered that unit as well. The only thing i did not like was the readouts on the display. Too small and the a/f changes so fast thats its difficult to read. Since you dont want a display, this may be your ticket. ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/innovatives-lc-1-is-garbage/2320/18 "2005-09-14T05:37:28Z")
1 input for 199 = 199/input 6 inputs for 300 = 50/input if tom had had the extra money, we’d have a ziet setup in the eclipse the day after tom got the lc1, one of the zeit’s came up on that other site for 200 used … ugh … i was pissed that it came a day late