# Input on F&F **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [March 10, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460 "2009-03-10T16:01:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![touge8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@touge8](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/touge8)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/41 "2009-03-11T19:02:27Z")
HEED MY PROPHECY!!! - That guy in the g35 doing 260 km/h was the beginning… with the new F&F, I can bet there will be some serious police chases occuring, either by shitty ricers or by some serious street racers. I don’t know why, but I have a big feeling that this is going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Wongger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/41988e/32.png) [@Wongger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wongger)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/42 "2009-03-11T22:00:10Z")
well since people are ranting about civics, I will to. I bought a 240 for my first car to be different, everybody has a civic or a lancer or a integra. I’d rather drive my stock but clean 240 over a civic or integra, maybe not a new lancer lol, but that’s beyond the fact. 240 are great cars they are unique, and fun to drive. But that’s just my opinion ---
**Author:** ![GTS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GTS)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/43 "2009-03-12T06:45:11Z")
> [@\#######POST PICS OF YOUR MUD MACHINE#######](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-pics-of-your-mud-machine/20261/75): > > The thing is, our cars actually have a different kind of potential than other imports do (and some domestics, ie. Neons, Cavaliers, and the like). I’m curious to know… What ‘other kind’ of potential do 240’s have that other cars don’t? > [@\#######POST PICS OF YOUR MUD MACHINE#######](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-pics-of-your-mud-machine/20261/75): > > I’m not saying that our cars are better due to the fact that they’re RWD, I’m saying that due to the fact that there will be a parking lot filled with stock, semi-stock, and cleanly modified 240’s. Our group is a little different than most. Of course there’s riced out 240’s out there, but how many riced out 240’s are in our group? When there are gatherings, what makes 240’s ‘a little different’ than most? What determines ‘other riced out’ cars that is so different than a ‘riced out’ 240? > [@\#######POST PICS OF YOUR MUD MACHINE#######](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-pics-of-your-mud-machine/20261/75): > > Now take any other group, Hondas, Toyotas, Mitsubishi/DSM. If any of you scout their forums, there’s more ricers that stick out than the number of ricers we have. Ignorant, irrelevant statement unless you can prove this. I have scouted their forums, I’d like to know how you came to the conclusion that they have more ‘ricers that stick out’ than 240’s do. > [@\#######POST PICS OF YOUR MUD MACHINE#######](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-pics-of-your-mud-machine/20261/75): > > I’ve seen and am friends with a few people with riced out cars. But honestly, them and their ricer friends, I did notice a similar trend with them. Yes, they think their cars are hot shit, and yes they think their car was a de-tuned race car from the factory. But what I did notice was that deep down, they do know that they are ricers, they’re just sometimes unable or feel shamed to admit it. Your friends think their cars are hot shit…while 240 owners don’t have the same mentality? 240 owners don’t think their cars are de-tuned race cars from factory? Please say that isn’t so! Other car owners all know they are ricers but are unable to to feel shame? So Nissan owners AREN’T ricers who are unable to feel shame so they don’t admit? Or they do feel shame but they just don’t admit? Or are you trying to say there’s no such thing as a 240sx ricer? > [@\#######POST PICS OF YOUR MUD MACHINE#######](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-pics-of-your-mud-machine/20261/75): > > I have a friend with a riced to the max Civic. And don’t put me on this, its not my choice he has the most popular ricer car in the world, I’m just telling you what he says. He’s got a ton of shit done to his car. AEM fuel rail, NGK this, AEM cold air intake that, 2.5" exhaust, VTEC head swap, whatever, I can’t remember them all. So your friend has had all that done to his car…I’m confused by your sentences, are you saying that he’s rice because he’s done these mods to his car? Or he’s rice because he has a Civic? Or is he rice simply because he’s had a ‘ton of shit’ done to his car? Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with the mods you have listed. But those would disagree can certainly let me know - perhaps in my ignorance, I don’t see the ‘rice’ in those mods. > [@\#######POST PICS OF YOUR MUD MACHINE#######](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/post-pics-of-your-mud-machine/20261/75): > > Him knowing my car, he still admits that I might have it. I highly doubt it, since its a feather-weight bubble hatch, and I’m not one to brag about my car, but with only a 3" torque-losing catback and a short-ram intake, thats not bad. He can admit that with the amount of money he’s dumped into his car, my near-stock car might still have a chance. Deep down they know that money could’ve been spent better elsewhere… I just need a little clarification on this last part: He admits that you’ll have ‘what?’ You will still have a chance at…? Beating him in quarter-mile or road-track? You’ve given quite a bit of thought on the topic - so I’d like to see what other justifications there are to your aforementioned statements. I want you to understand that I’m not trying to bust your chops - I’m simply trying to understand a different point of view from my own. ---
**Author:** ![Gongster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gongster/32/5615_2.png) [@Gongster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gongster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/44 "2009-03-12T07:59:35Z")
> [@Official: "Anyone else sick?" thread.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-anyone-else-sick-thread/20782/5): > > Your friends think their cars are hot shit…while 240 owners don’t have the same mentality? 240 owners don’t think their cars are de-tuned race cars from factory? Please say that isn’t so! 240s are extremely detuned from their counterparts in Japan. They are so detuned that they have a completely different motor 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ko-San](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Ko-San](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ko-San)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/45 "2009-03-12T08:04:54Z")
i’ve seen tons of nice hondas and toyotas… and many fast ones too… those cars eat rice for breakfast just cause its a honda doesnt make it rice ---
**Author:** ![Fobwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7ea924/32.png) [@Fobwall](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fobwall)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/46 "2009-03-12T09:19:50Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/1607): > > 240s are extremely detuned from their counterparts in Japan. > > They are so detuned that they have a completely different motor 😛 GTS pretty much called everyone out. And yes, it has a different motor but it’s not a de-tuned RACE CAR. That’s the keyword. And I bought my 240 because I wanted to be different at first but I realised that civics are awesome. I daily drive one and I love it. However, since my 240 has been moded a lot, I obviously prefer to drive it on the track. Civic = daily driver 240 = track And trust me, the reason why you don’t see as many 240s that are riced is because there are a lot less, and as someone said, most can’t even afford to properly “rice” their cars with wings. Most just paint their hoods black, etc. Lots of people do really cheap crappy mods to the 240 and that is considered rice. ---
**Author:** ![Martino](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/martino/32/5674_2.png) [@Martino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Martino)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/47 "2009-03-12T10:26:17Z")
Wait wait wait… Anyone notice the ones arguing the possibility of NOT being “ricer” own a completely stock 240 with an ancient single slammer? I don’t mean to bust on your guys’ chops but c’mon, its a 240. I don’t make mine seem like its the BEST thing in the world but shit I can guarantee theres at least 40% of those “riced out civics” that will hand you your ass in the 1/4 mile. Have you any clue just how light they are? Weight to power ratio defiantly overcomes a stock single slammer. I know when I FIRST bought my 240 with a stock dual cam in it me and a friend took a go at it. His stock **RS** handed me my ass, and I even use to own an RS. You’ll realize what your missing until you actually start doing modifications to your vehicle. Stock ride height, old motor, and shitty power just doesn’t cut it now a days. Especially when there’s guys out there making 300+ on daily drivers. When I first bought my car, I hated it sitting stock and hated the paint job. Many people can back me up on that one, however I still beat the shit out of it at the track, but never once did I say my car was THE SHIT. Don’t get me wrong, I mean a stock 240 is nice and all but If I can recall it came out of production in North America as a grocery getter not some hyped up, de-tuned race car. I love these cars, but in all honesty, if someone offered to trade me say an STi for my 180, hands down it’d be done. ---
**Author:** ![XSNRGE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xsnrge/32/5565_2.png) [@XSNRGE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XSNRGE)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/48 "2009-03-12T13:25:45Z")
> [@Official: "Anyone else sick?" thread.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-anyone-else-sick-thread/20782/5): > > I’m curious to know… > > What ‘other kind’ of potential do 240’s have that other cars don’t? > > RWD cars are a lot more enjoyable to drive than FWD cars on or off a track. With a RWD car, you can either take a turn a little off or a little too hard and have the tendency to swing the back end out, either accidentally or purposely. There’s more adrenaline in that than there is with an understeering FWD car. > > When there are gatherings, what makes 240’s ‘a little different’ than most? What determines ‘other riced out’ cars that is so different than a ‘riced out’ 240? > > 240 owners, are a little more mature than owners of other cars (this is hard to prove as of late, due to the current state of SON members, and the current attitude going around). I’ve never seen 240 owners purposely start racing on the streets to or after a meet. I’ve been to Honda/Acura, Mazda, as well as a few mixed vehicles meets and noticed that there are at least 2-3 show offs/ricers/immature drivers out there. Either with crazy neon, crazy paint, more dB’s than HP or even sense, yet they still talk shit. > > Also, when was the last time you’ve seen a 240 with a body kit that either didn’t match, or was originally intended for another car? Our cars are clean, stock or not. > > Ignorant, irrelevant statement unless you can prove this. I have scouted their forums, I’d like to know how you came to the conclusion that they have more ‘ricers that stick out’ than 240’s do. > > Look at avatars or signature images. I’ve seen Hyundai Tiburon owners think their cars are hot shit with a stock 4 cyl and a checkered flag decal going down the side of their car. There’s a Tiburon painted General Lee orange with a confederate flag on the roof, 01 on the door, wheels that don’t match the body+sunken battle ship, as well as an ugly invader/kombat-style bodykit. I won’t list any forum names, or usernames. I used to be really into Honda Preludes and Integras. I’ve seen more Preludes working that “JDM” interior with a riced out exterior that looks like something Timmy from South Park drew up… This example is taken from driving on the 401 about a year ago. > > Your friends think their cars are hot shit…while 240 owners don’t have the same mentality? 240 owners don’t think their cars are de-tuned race cars from factory? Please say that isn’t so! > > Other car owners all know they are ricers but are unable to to feel shame? So Nissan owners AREN’T ricers who are unable to feel shame so they don’t admit? Or they do feel shame but they just don’t admit? Or are you trying to say there’s no such thing as a 240sx ricer? > > Of course they’re such thing as a riced out 240. The first riced out 240 I’ve seen was in Mississauga (I think), or wherever that Colosus thing is. It was a white 240 hatch that had mismatched aero. kombat-style front bumper and wing, random side skirts with stupid vents filled with chicken wire, and stock rear bumper. Of course there’s gonna be more, but I haven’t seen 'em yet. > > And no, I’m not trying to say that our cars are ‘de-tuned race cars’. Our cars are severely de-tuned, that is a given, otherwise most of the people here wouldn’t be hating on KA’s as much and the SR20 wouldn’t have been as overglorified as it is. > > So your friend has had all that done to his car…I’m confused by your sentences, are you saying that he’s rice because he’s done these mods to his car? Or he’s rice because he has a Civic? Or is he rice simply because he’s had a ‘ton of shit’ done to his car? > > The riced part is that outside of our circle of friends, he’s a shit talker. If he doesn’t know what the next guy has, he’s overconfident and talks like he’s got 600 HP to back him up. That and his car is 2-tone baby blue and black… In all the wrong places… Aero-mirrors, and ugly side skirts poorly molded in (bondo cracking), and trying to be “OH JDM DRIFTER TYTE!” with the zip-tie X’s on his uncracked, factory bumper… > > Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with the mods you have listed. But those would disagree can certainly let me know - perhaps in my ignorance, I don’t see the ‘rice’ in those mods. > > I just need a little clarification on this last part: > > He admits that you’ll have ‘what?’ You will still have a chance at…? Beating him in quarter-mile or road-track? > > Quarter-mile. Of course, he either doesn’t know what he’s got (doesn’t know much about cars, just got into it almost 2 years ago), or he’s just being nice. > > You’ve given quite a bit of thought on the topic - so I’d like to see what other justifications there are to your aforementioned statements. I want you to understand that I’m not trying to bust your chops - I’m simply trying to understand a different point of view from my own. Honestly, I don’t have much care for other people’s opinions on mine. If you don’t like what I see, think, or say, blow it out your ass… Martino - how is the KA24E ancient? 1997 isn’t that far off… The Nissan Hardbody had it until 1997. And just because something is “ancient” doesn’t mean its a bad thing. That’s something I don’t understand with SON. Not all of SON, but quite a bit of it. I’ve only met a few members here who’ve actually supported the idea of working with a KA platform. SOHC or DOHC. Hell, I’m not running a SOHC KA because I want to be “different”. I’ve always owned a car with a KA, so I know a fair bit about it and would like to expand on that. 1991 Nissan Stanza, almost also purchased a 1993 Hardbody King Cab, and both of my 240SX’s have been SOHC KA’s. There’s a reason people work with them, again, either to be “different”, or due to having some form of sentimental value. Call me stupid, but ask Ian\_MC212 about our discussion about SOHC KA24’s and R34’s. I think you can peice together the conversation yourself. You’d likely take his side of it, but who’s ever put a SOHC KA motor in a Skyline? I’d honestly love to do it as a big fuck you to all the haters. PS. I like how this thread doesn’t even have anymore discussion regarding F&F… ---
**Author:** ![Cal-SoY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Cal-SoY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cal-SoY)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/49 "2009-03-12T14:58:26Z")
GTS hits a homerun of pwned. > [@SyracuseStreetRacers.com](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/syracusestreetracers-com/20611/269): > > Martino - how is the KA24E ancient? **1997 isn’t that far off** … Actually, its over a decade old, thats pretty ancient relative to the technological advances in motors that have occured in those 10 short years. > [@SyracuseStreetRacers.com](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/syracusestreetracers-com/20611/269): > > Hell, I’m not running a SOHC KA because I want to be “different”. I’ve always owned a car with a KA, so I know a fair bit about it and would like to expand on that. 1991 Nissan Stanza, almost also purchased a 1993 Hardbody King Cab, and both of my 240SX’s have been SOHC KA’s. So you’re running a KA cause you think they’re good enough to ignore experimenting on any other motor? Honestly Miki, you sound like you’re talking out of your ass. ---
**Author:** ![rex\_thugs](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rex_thugs/32/5598_2.png) [@rex\_thugs](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rex_thugs)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/50 "2009-03-12T15:03:28Z")
ill prolly watch it when it comes to dvd, not interested in going to theater for this movie. ---
**Author:** ![HayMakr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/haymakr/32/5738_2.png) [@HayMakr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HayMakr)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/51 "2009-03-12T15:09:07Z")
i cant wait till wal-mart releases the new F&F seat covers… ---
**Author:** ![Osad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ab097/32.png) [@Osad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Osad)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/52 "2009-03-12T15:11:08Z")
> [@INS check question???](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ins-check-question/20735/7): > > I think we should do a SON meet the day of the release… All our “REAL” cars parked outside the parking lot, so after the movie, all the ricers will come outside and gawk at our cars and feel shameful about that riced out Civic or Neon that they drive! a 240sx is just as much of a rice rocket as any of those car are or can be. how many preludes do you see with h22’s, lowered, wheels, exhaust, tints. how many 240’s do you see with an sr, lowered, wheels, exhaust, tints. ---
**Author:** ![Turboner](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turboner/32/5603_2.png) [@Turboner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turboner)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/53 "2009-03-12T15:22:24Z")
BRO…My skyline has Vtek yo… Bro. Bro, when i hit 'tek._leans back_ BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ---
**Author:** ![HayMakr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/haymakr/32/5738_2.png) [@HayMakr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HayMakr)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/54 "2009-03-12T15:24:30Z")
s-chasis’ are riceproof. it’s scientificly prooven talkin about whats rice and whats not is rice in its self lets talk about which religion is correct or if god exists, makes just as much sense… god is real god is a man his name is Alah if you dont think the same, your a ricer ---
**Author:** ![Turboner](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turboner/32/5603_2.png) [@Turboner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turboner)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/55 "2009-03-12T15:26:17Z")
^^ Ummmm. if you belive that… dont’ come to scarborough. ---
**Author:** ![Osad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ab097/32.png) [@Osad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Osad)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/56 "2009-03-12T15:33:07Z")
> [@how do you get black wheel bearing grease out of a light green rug?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-do-you-get-black-wheel-bearing-grease-out-of-a-light-green-rug/20773/27): > > s-chasis’ are riceproof. it’s scientificly prooven > > talkin about whats rice and whats not is rice in its self > > lets talk about which religion is correct or if god exists, makes just as much sense… > > god is real > god is a man > his name is Alah > > if you dont think the same, your a ricer What the heck are you trying to say? Forget the religious shit, cuz thats a given load of shit. What is this “talkin about rice is rice in itself”??? PLEASE elaborate. ---
**Author:** ![Osad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ab097/32.png) [@Osad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Osad)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/57 "2009-03-12T15:34:52Z")
Are sonlings trying to be philosophy majors or some shit nowadays?? ---
**Author:** ![DRJT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f19dbf/32.png) [@DRJT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DRJT)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/58 "2009-03-12T15:40:10Z")
I feel like I just watched an episode of the Hills… ---
**Author:** ![HayMakr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/haymakr/32/5738_2.png) [@HayMakr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HayMakr)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/59 "2009-03-12T15:40:43Z")
what im saying is all this ricer talk… what is a ricer? its what you THINK it is theres no definition its making fun of the way someone has modded there car so u can feel better about your own. in my opinion, a ricer is the scrub callin ppl ricers. everyone has a different opinion about how any particular car should look and to each his own. debating on whats ricer and whats not or saying all civic are rice is just as pointless as debating on whether or not god exists or which religion is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Cal-SoY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Cal-SoY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cal-SoY)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460/60 "2009-03-12T15:42:04Z")
I think thats a touchy subject that shouldnt be touched on if you’re trying to draw a parallel for ricers. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/input-on-f-f/122460.md?page=4)