# Is this the change we signed up for?

**URL:** <https://forums.speedlife.net/t/is-this-the-change-we-signed-up-for/59073>\
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\
**Created:** [December 2, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/is-this-the-change-we-signed-up-for/59073 "2008-12-02T05:51:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\
**Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/is-this-the-change-we-signed-up-for/59073/21 "2008-12-02T10:26:41Z")

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gotcha, agreed.

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**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\
**Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/is-this-the-change-we-signed-up-for/59073/22 "2008-12-02T10:27:01Z")

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Why do you say a flat tax won’t work?

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**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\
**Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/is-this-the-change-we-signed-up-for/59073/23 "2008-12-02T10:29:48Z")

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the genius and all of the advantages of the VAT are missing from the flat tax, yet you get all of the downsides.

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**Author:** ![maverick27](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/maverick27/32/4946_2.png) [@maverick27](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/maverick27)\
**Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/is-this-the-change-we-signed-up-for/59073/24 "2008-12-02T15:58:54Z")

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**Even so, the VAT would be better than the other likely alternative: A higher retail sales tax. If the national sales tax were raised to, say, 20%, consumers would cheat by paying cash to avoid it, and retailers would submit because they’d sell more goods by cutting the price 20%. With the VAT, every step of the manufacturing (and tax collection) process is documented.**

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