# Israel vs Gaza **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 29, 2008, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431 "2008-12-29T10:34:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/41 "2008-12-30T12:56:30Z")
well obviously they all have the same roots… to control the people and make money. ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/42 "2008-12-30T13:22:30Z")
> [@A.J.](#): > > I would put some money on it that Israel is not just retaliating all the time. I am not saying either is right but I bet they are both to blame +1 Israel is only the bully because we allow them to be, Israel shoots rockets and Palestine blows up a bus. Now that Palestine has more resources they have accumulated a larger armory to attack Israel. So they come back with chemical warfare on Palestine to make them infertile…LIKE NAZIS LOL This is a shit storm that will never end considering it started well before America. ---
**Author:** ![RobHimself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e480ec/32.png) [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/43 "2008-12-30T13:33:53Z")
> [@zklug1013](#): > > +1 Israel is only the bully because we allow them to be, Israel shoots rockets and Palestine blows up a bus. Now that Palestine has more resources they have accumulated a larger armory to attack Israel. So they come back with chemical warfare on Palestine to make them infertile…LIKE NAZIS LOL > > This is a shit storm that will never end considering it started well before America. Well technically they have only been there since 1948 🙂 Besides The jews actually do well with the land. If it was still palestine territory it would be mud huts. ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/44 "2008-12-30T13:36:29Z")
> [@RobHimself](#): > > Well technically they have only been there since 1948 🙂 Besides The jews actually do well with the land. If it was still palestine territory it would be mud huts. The names have changed but the same people have been fighting for the land since the crusades. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/45 "2008-12-30T13:40:40Z")
> [@zklug1013](#): > > The names have changed but the same people have been fighting for the land since the crusades. No no no, it’s the United States’s fault. If we hadn’t backed Israel they’d all be holding hands watching the sunset over the Mediterranean singing give peace a chance. Don’t you know we’re the great satin and the cause of every problem in the world? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/46 "2008-12-30T13:45:11Z")
Can’t we just alt-f4 the entire middle east and call it a millenium? ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/47 "2008-12-30T14:09:25Z")
We finance most of Israels military Our money buys the rockets and planes that kill the palestinian peoples families members now why again are we hated by most of the middle east? oh right, according to George Bush they hate our democracy they must be angered over the fact we can wear Levis jeans and they cant oh wait Canada can, Germany can, England can, Australia can on and on and on and on but it was here that planes were flown into buildings hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/48 "2008-12-30T14:16:06Z")
what about spain? what about the london bombings? don’t fool yourself, just because we’re the biggest of the “bad guys” doesn’t mean they don’t hate others. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/49 "2008-12-30T14:37:37Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > what about spain? what about the london bombings? > > don’t fool yourself, just because we’re the biggest of the “bad guys” doesn’t mean they don’t hate others. oh your right but your also right about being “the biggest” ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/50 "2008-12-30T14:41:31Z")
> [@Penfold](#): > > Israel has blocked shipments of everything into Palestine for some time now. That includes food and medical supplies. That is on top of many years of Israel setting up scattered developments in Palestine in an attempt to take over their land. Israel will come in, knock down a bunch of Palestine homes, build their own and then start shooting Palestinians when they throw rocks to defend their houses. > > Honestly, Israel is the bully here, it is very clear. x2 The history of Israel is that of the ultimate bully, I do not understand why people defend them. They block supplies, setup road blocks for everyone, buy up all the land, kick the palestinians out of it, initiate policies to only hire Jews. Now I’m not for terrorism so Hamas can eat a dick, but to be honest there is no good side in the conflict only casualties. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/51 "2008-12-30T14:46:29Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > what about spain? what about the london bombings? > > don’t fool yourself, just because we’re the biggest of the “bad guys” doesn’t mean they don’t hate others. Spain has a history of anti-muslim sentiment. And England was first to back Israel occupation of the middle east as well as continually backing us. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/52 "2008-12-30T15:10:12Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > x2 > > The history of Israel is that of the ultimate bully, I do not understand why people defend them. > > . because they fucking control the US how many people in the Senate are jewish/have dual citizenship? How many members of Bush’s cabnet are jewish/have dual citizenship? How much of wall street is/are jewish? How many major corporations are owned by jewish decent? The entire fucking mass media with the exception of Ted Turner is owned by jewish interests but they make up about 12% of the US population IIRC the facts are out there, before you criticize be objective and answer some of the questions I have put before you… ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/53 "2008-12-30T15:23:34Z")
> [@9c1ny](#): > > because they fucking control the US > > how many people in the Senate are jewish/have dual citizenship? > > How many members of Bush’s cabnet are jewish/have dual citizenship? > > How much of wall street is/are jewish? > > How many major corporations are owned by jewish decent? > > The entire fucking mass media with the exception of Ted Turner is owned by jewish interests > > but they make up about 12% of the US population IIRC > > the facts are out there, before you criticize be objective and answer some of the questions I have put before you… Hey I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not a fan of interests groups influencing our politicians when they are only looking out for Israel. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/54 "2008-12-30T15:39:59Z")
[http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/55 "2008-12-30T19:43:40Z")
I wouldnt go as far as to say Israel owns us but i do believe there is some bias into the decisions we take on the crisis in the middle east. not necessarily jewish interest but money, Israel has a lot more then Palestine. but in the same sense we are a powerful country today not for being nice and doing “good” things, if you like the luxury of 3 ply toilet paper then dont cry peace when we blow up a country or two.(drastic but you get the point lol) ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/56 "2008-12-30T19:52:13Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > [Gaza relief boat damaged in encounter with Israeli vessel - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/index.html) re post #25 > **[USS Liberty Memorial](http://www.gtr5.com/)** > > USS Liberty was attacked in international waters by Israeli forces on June 8, 1967, killing 34 Americans and wounding another 174. The Israeli attack has never been investigated by the US government. ---
**Author:** ![Violator](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/violator/32/7278_2.png) [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/57 "2008-12-30T22:30:53Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > x2 > > The history of Israel is that of the ultimate bully, I do not understand why people defend them. > > They block supplies, setup road blocks for everyone, buy up all the land, kick the palestinians out of it, initiate policies to only hire Jews. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/6/2/624a26579c0a5c1f0d0b66dabff17bb2cffad443.jpeg "Burning Conscience: Israeli Soldiers Speak Out") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo) The real story is not seen or heard by Americans because most of it is filtered out by Israeli owned/controlled news media outlets. Many people can agree that American news media is kind of a joke in many respects but that is more true then you know. Washington lobbyists funnel American taxpayer money to Israel for no good reason and shape American policy to strengthen Israel. Israel has been **terrorizing** the Palestinians for years. Literally kicking families out of their homes in the middle of the night and bulldozing the houses to make room for Jewish settlements. American money and weapons just aid this process. It might as well be Americans doing this since that is where the funding and means come from. American support of Israel is why this level of terrorism exists today. The arabs have plenty of reason to be pissed for America sticking its nose into their affairs. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/58 "2008-12-30T22:40:53Z")
> [@Violator](#): > > The arabs have plenty of reason to be pissed for America sticking its nose into their affairs. Don’t say that you anti-American, terrorist lover! ---
**Author:** ![JettaX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/838e76/32.png) [@JettaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JettaX)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/59 "2008-12-31T05:21:32Z")
> [@9c1ny](#): > > but they make up about 12% of the US population IIRC > > … Not that I agree with anything you are saying but I think it is closer to 2% of the US population that is Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431/60 "2008-12-31T09:29:46Z")
> [@JettaX](#): > > Not that I agree with anything you are saying but I think it is closer to 2% of the US population that is Jewish. your probably correct on that [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/israel-vs-gaza/60431.md?page=4)