# It's ILLEGAL to rip music to a PC, even if its not shared. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 31, 2007, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016 "2007-12-31T08:35:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Locutus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/locutus/32/7574_2.png) [@Locutus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Locutus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/21 "2007-12-31T09:41:31Z")
> [@Locutus](#): > > the washington post is wrong… he is accused of d/l music… > **[RIAA not suing over CD ripping, still kinda being jerks about it](https://www.engadget.com/2007-12-30-riaa-not-suing-over-cd-ripping-still-kinda-being-jerks-about-it.html)** > > Okay, so we've done some digging into the RIAA's lawsuit against Jeffery Howell, in which the industry is claiming that ripped MP3s are "unauthorized copies," and it turns out that Jeffery isn't actually being sued for ripping CDs, like the... ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/22 "2007-12-31T09:54:57Z")
> [@Locutus](#): > > [RIAA not suing over CD ripping, still kinda being jerks about it](http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/30/riaa-not-suing-over-cd-ripping-still-kinda-being-jerks-about-it/) :tup: :tup: But, > the big change from previous downloading cases **is the RIAA’s newfound aggressiveness in calling MP3s ripped from legally owned CDs “unauthorized copies” – something it’s been doing quietly for a** [**while**](http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/sony-bmgs-head-lawyer-says-ripping-cds-is-stealing/) **, but now it looks like the gloves are off**. While there’s a pretty good argument for the legality of ripping under the market factor of [fair use](http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/know-your-rights-how-does-fair-use-work/), it’s never actually been ruled as such by a judge – so paradoxically, the RIAA might be shooting itself in the foot here, because a judge wouldn’t ever rule on it unless they argue that it’s illegal. Looks like someone may end up being too clever for their own good, eh? The thread lives. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/23 "2007-12-31T10:01:24Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > You hit it right on the head 🙂 > > Although it’s stupid IMO. It’s the only “legal way” i know this is considered to be a convoluted argument, but what of people like my sister who own in excess of 600 CDs (at last physical count)? Surely not all of that media is avail on iTunes. Also… why would she have to pay 2x for media she already owns? CDs should not be treated as movie tickets. You do not pay to listen to the media @ a theater once… you are buying the media for personal use. Its a pretty clear statement to say that mp3 players are **_more portable_** then CD players… so that is easily argued. Lastly… why hand a monopoly to apple? I know Robhimself & friends will defend Apple to the death, and sure it innovated alot of this arena, but eh. ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/24 "2007-12-31T10:03:15Z")
can this be compared to: Me buying a stock mustang…removing the exhaust system and competley copying it and making another exhaust (for when the oem exhaust rusts out). Is it possible for Ford to sue me for un-athorized copying? I mean it’s the same thing as buying a cd, ripping it to your computer and having it for when the CD you bought gets all scratched. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/25 "2007-12-31T10:05:28Z")
> [@sedlmeier101](#): > > can this be compared to: not rly. the exhaust parts have no question regarding end user ownership. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/26 "2007-12-31T10:17:00Z")
> [@Matt Danger](#): > > An organization that refuses to update its business model to follow consumer trends and demand is doomed. I don’t understand how they can’t realize this. One entity flies in the face of this statement: Radio Shack ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/27 "2007-12-31T10:19:53Z")
> [@bracketracer](#): > > One entity flies in the face of this statement: Radio Shack They survive off of selling Apple, Cell phone contracts, and prepaid minutes. Everytime that I go in there for a part (usually under $2), there is 3-4 ‘kids’ paying their bill to get their phones reactivated. :biglaugh: ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/28 "2007-12-31T10:37:21Z")
Would the RIAA be pissed if I copied my CDs onto cassette tapes? :bloated: This is so staggeringly retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/29 "2007-12-31T10:54:50Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Lastly… why hand a monopoly to apple? I know Robhimself & friends will defend Apple to the death uh oh :biglaugh: and I’m with hotrodkid. I haven’t purchased a CD since atleast 1998… f the riaa. Not that I’m too cheap to buy music, but certainly wont buy the shit that record companies “say” is good, nor will I buy any music that comes loaded with DRM. downloading and XM all the way ---
**Author:** ![The\_Russian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the_russian/32/7414_2.png) [@The\_Russian](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The_Russian)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/30 "2007-12-31T10:57:06Z")
Its called rigging up an old monitors deguassing module to fire with a large pulse at your HD in case they come after you. THUNK you now have no evidence i did anything with my wiped hard drive. fuckers ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/31 "2007-12-31T11:00:28Z")
> [@The\_Russian](#): > > Its called rigging up an old monitors deguassing module to fire with a large pulse at your HD in case they come after you. > > THUNK > > you now have no evidence i did anything with my wiped hard drive. > > fuckers they don’t need your HDD unfortunitly… all they need is a “paper trail” from your ISP showing you downloaded the music/ect then the account holder gets sued ---
**Author:** ![The\_Russian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the_russian/32/7414_2.png) [@The\_Russian](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The_Russian)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/32 "2007-12-31T12:09:10Z")
bugga ---
**Author:** ![JustinH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JustinH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JustinH)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/33 "2007-12-31T12:17:16Z")
The last few CD’s I have bought have been ones that I bought right at a concert directly from the artist. I paid cash and was happy with what I got. I haven’t bought a cd in a cd store in at least 5 years, if not more. I have no need for 2 track cd’s and the rest filler garbage. ---
**Author:** ![FightinMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@FightinMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FightinMike)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/34 "2007-12-31T12:21:39Z")
The “buying a CD is just a license” concept isn’t all that new. Consider your software, technically Windows isn’t supposed to be resold unless by a dealer. According to the EULA, in some cases, you cant install it on more than one machine. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/35 "2007-12-31T12:31:50Z")
> [@FightinMike](#): > > The “buying a CD is just a license” concept isn’t all that new. Consider your software, technically Windows isn’t supposed to be resold unless by a dealer. According to the EULA, in some cases, you cant install it on more than one machine. Bad example, **even [Micro$oft](http://forums.microsoft.com/Genuine/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2343700&SiteID=25)allows you personal use of a portable copy.** From EULA > The license for my Office XP states the following. > > “General License Grant to Install and Use Software Product. You may install and use one copy of the Software Product on a single computer, device, workstation, terminal, or other digital electronic or analog device (“Device”). You may make a second copy of the Software Product and install it on a portable Device for the exclusive use of the person who is the primary user of the first copy of the Software Product. A license for the Software Product may not be shared.” ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/36 "2007-12-31T12:56:05Z")
Lame. This shit always reminds me of the episode of south park where the boys get in trouble dor downloading music. ---
**Author:** ![MikeRi24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@MikeRi24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MikeRi24)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/37 "2007-12-31T13:35:53Z")
so basically all they want you to do is to give them more money: want this album on your MP3 player? that will be $0.99 per song from iTunes, said album in now ‘legally’ on your PC and MP3 player. Oh, you want that SAME album, but in a CD format so you can play it in your car, or just to have a hard copy of it? not a problem! that will be another $15 please. they just want to get your money twice. the file sharing, yeah ok, while we are all guilty of using it, i suppose you could say thats stealing. but I think once you purchase a hard copy of a CD, what you do with it is your business. you paid for it, so you should be able to put it on your PC and your MP3 player and whatnot. thats what you paid for, right? ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/38 "2007-12-31T13:57:17Z")
Quickly scanning through… Seems like someone is going to have to fight back against the RIAA to protect some rights that we have. If they could keep on getting court precedence after precedence … this could get ugly ---
**Author:** ![djdstar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/djdstar/32/7617_2.png) [@djdstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/djdstar)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/39 "2007-12-31T13:59:23Z")
the RIAA is fucked up, yes…tell me something i don’t know 🙂 it’s illegal to do anything other then to spend as much money as possible with these fools. ---
**Author:** ![FightinMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@FightinMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FightinMike)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/40 "2007-12-31T14:28:38Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > :blah: Read your own quote: > [@EULA](#): > > “General License Grant to Install and Use Software Product. You may install and **use one copy** of the Software Product o **n a single computer** , device, workstation, terminal, or other digital electronic or analog device (“Device”). You may make a second copy of the Software Product and install it on a portable Device for the exclusive use of the person who is the primary user of the first copy of the Software Product. **A license for the Software Product may not be shared**.” For every computer you own, you’re supposed to buy another copy. You cant resell, you can’t trade the disc. You may be able to make a copy, but only for installing on the original computer, or a mobile device to be used by YOU only. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016.md?page=3)