# Jeeps **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [July 29, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913 "2012-07-29T16:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/61 "2012-08-01T12:45:13Z")
Well, it is called the moose test. Maybe something can be inferred from that. ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/62 "2012-08-01T13:47:30Z")
Wow. ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/63 "2012-08-01T14:21:09Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > I need to retract this statement… > > [https://youtu.be/zaYFLb8WMGM](https://youtu.be/zaYFLb8WMGM) This has been debunked… This test could not be replicated once Chrysler engineers arrived to personally witness the test setup and test conditions. > **[Watch a Jeep Grand Cherokee fail Sweden's Moose Test \*UPDATE - Autoblog](https://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/09/watch-a-jeep-grand-cherokee-fail-swedens-moose-test/)** > > The Jeep Grand Cherokee has proven to be a rock-solid off-road-capable SUV with a dose of civility on public roads. But while the top Jeep has a terrific reputation and a long list of accolades, at least one model apparently didn't have the chops for... "Grand Cherokee Statement for Teknikens Varld Test Chrysler Group engineers are investigating a Swedish magazine’s evaluation of the 2012 Grand Cherokee. During the evaluation, the publication was able to capture images of a Grand Cherokee on two wheels as it performed an extreme maneuver in an overloaded condition. Advised of this event by the magazine, Chrysler Group engineers made numerous attempts to reproduce the wheel-lift in a properly loaded vehicle. Extensive testing produced no such result. A subsequent evaluation was conducted by the magazine July 8 in Sweden and witnessed by Chrysler Group engineers. Three vehicles performed 11 runs on a course prepared by the magazine. None reproduced the original event. The uncharacteristic result was obtained using a vehicle loaded beyond its weight specifications. The Grand Cherokee’s weight limitations are clearly stated on the vehicle and in the owner’s manual. Also, the extreme maneuver performed by the magazine is not certified by any regulatory agency, nor is it used to establish any sanctioned safety ratings. Chrysler Group takes seriously any safety concerns and engineers are examining the event to better understand the magazine’s claims. A “Top Safety Pick” of the U.S. Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the 2012 Grand Cherokee is an award-winning SUV that features Electronic Stability Control and Electronic Roll Mitigation as standard equipment. It meets or exceeds all government safety mandates and its outstanding performance has made it the most awarded SUV in history." ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/64 "2012-08-01T14:46:34Z")
> [@97FormulaWS-6](#): > > This has been debunked… Three vehicles performed 11 runs on a course prepared by the magazine. None reproduced the original event. > > The uncharacteristic result was obtained using a vehicle loaded beyond its weight specifications. The Grand Cherokee’s weight limitations are clearly stated on the vehicle and in the owner’s manual. Debunked by what? The video that shows tires blowing after Chrysler engineers were allowed to modify the test to their standards? How can they say “None reproduced the original event” when it’s clearly on video. :gotme: > Due to a complete incorrect statement by Chrysler, many people believe that we performed the first moose test with 50 kilos (110 lbs) overload in the Jeep Grand Cherokee. This is not the least bit true. We performed the first moose test with 100 kilos (220 lbs) less than the maximum payload (602 kilos/1 327 lbs) that is registered for the car, a figure which officially comes from Jeep/Chrysler. > **[Teknikens Värld – Bilnyheter, test av bilar och mycket mer](https://teknikensvarld.expressen.se/)** > > Teknikens Värld är Sveriges främsta biltidning som ger dig de senaste nyheterna och de bästa testerna av nya och begagnade bilar. Also: > I read both reports, and in my article about the first Jeep Grand Cherokee moose test, I included comments from both Teknikens Värld and Jeep. Regarding the last test, the Jeep guys said that the car was overloaded, but the Teknikens Värld testers told me what they had loaded the car with. It was within the specifications listed by the manufacturer. > As far as the German magazine’s claim that their Swedish counterparts engaged in all kinds of weird driving stuff to make the load shift, well, that could be true, but have you seen most people drive, especially when they’re attempting to react to an emergency situation? I personally think that most drivers (including myself at times) are barely competent, so taking issue with the way the tester was driving during the test is splitting hairs. > So far, I don’t have reason to buy into the conspiracy theory that Teknikens Värld has it in for Chrysler and wants to make the Grand Cherokee look bad. That’s the only plausible explanation, at this point, for them rigging the test, which is what some folks seem to be suggesting. It’s a possibility, but so is Jimmy Hoffa still being alive in a cabin on Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. But without real evidence … > **[Jeep Grand Cherokee Fails Evasive Maneuver Test, Again](https://jalopnik.com/jeep-grand-cherokee-fails-evasive-maneuver-test-again-5930933)** > > A month ago, Swedish car magazine Teknikens Värld tested the Jeep Grand Cherokee with its famous "moose test," an evasive maneuver simulation. The SUV failed miserably, standing up on two wheels as it negotiated a tight turn. ---
**Author:** ![robftw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6bbea6/32.png) [@robftw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/robftw)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/65 "2012-08-01T19:42:35Z")
Ran the jeep tonight for laughs Tried this with full automatic on, shitty reaction time mostly cause i wasn’t paying attention I did better on the second run with a .6 reaction, however i was playing with its slap shift mode… it ran a 10.69 on that run. Next week i’ll try again with the fully automatic on and get some better R/T’s [ATTACH=CONFIG]21644[/ATTACH] ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/66 "2012-08-02T05:18:26Z")
> [@robftw](#): > > I need the space for work purposes, awd and somewhat okay mileage for its size. (my work pays for gas anyways lol!) > [@Jam](#): > > So you need a reliable car for your job, and you bought a Chrysler product? > > :ham: And drag race it. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/67 "2012-08-02T06:03:43Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > And drag race it. :tup: It’s a stock SUV and an 1/8th mile track. If that’s “racing” most people driving to work every day could say they were racing. ---------- Post added at 09:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:54 AM ---------- MOOSE TEST! [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZF8N9NItHI) @1:08 [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmB0UVdx8E) [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAuwd4vrT9E) [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/4/5/45f857d5328f4f93376192d45d4ee532018b6006.jpeg "Mercedes A Class") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um-XlKerWvA) And the reason why they have such a test… [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/e/d/ed63b1512320203b903fc2cca43f68636e01cce0.jpeg "Elk/Moose Crash Test - Volvo V70 Estate (70 Km/h)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98ZK_kknP9U) Unlike deer, you are much better off swerving for a moose. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/68 "2012-08-02T06:09:43Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > It’s a stock SUV and an 1/8th mile track. If that’s “racing” most people driving to work every day could say they were racing.I I didn’t say it was good racing.:bush: ---------- Post added at 09:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:07 AM ---------- > [@JayS](#): > > Unlike deer, you are much better off swerving for a moose. Word. Deer avoid wolves by waiting till the last second then darting out of the way. Moose avoid wolves by being way the fuck bigger. Deer will get out of your way. Moose don’t give a fuck. ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/69 "2012-08-02T06:24:56Z")
Speaking of Moose… out here in UT they’re all over the Canyons that I have to drive through to get to the ski resorts, typically there’s one or two accidents a year with cars Vs. Moose… They’ll also get into the middle of the road and just stand there and block the road until they feel like moving. ---
**Author:** ![robftw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6bbea6/32.png) [@robftw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/robftw)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/70 "2012-08-02T07:09:51Z")
we live in wny. why are we discussing Moises again? ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/71 "2012-08-02T07:33:14Z")
Shouldn’t have bought a Jeep because it failed a Swedish moose test! ---------- Post added at 10:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:32 AM ---------- The fuck did I just type? ---
**Author:** ![GV1390](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gv1390/32/5432_2.png) [@GV1390](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GV1390)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/72 "2012-08-02T08:20:44Z")
> [@robftw](#): > > we live in wny. > > why are we discussing Moises again? “Moises” huh? ---
**Author:** ![robftw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6bbea6/32.png) [@robftw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/robftw)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/73 "2012-08-02T08:26:19Z")
phone auto correct fail. also you aren’t very good at trolling, spelling is shit tier ---
**Author:** ![GV1390](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gv1390/32/5432_2.png) [@GV1390](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GV1390)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/74 "2012-08-02T08:29:07Z")
> [@robftw](#): > > phone auto correct fail. > > also you aren’t very good at trolling, spelling is shit tier Nothing to troll. You bought a piece of shit, you ruined the Z, and you fucking suck. How’s that for trolling? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/75 "2012-08-02T08:31:29Z")
You should be life mates with honda4life ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/76 "2012-08-02T08:36:30Z")
Moises. Moistes. Moisions. Molesters. What? ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/77 "2012-08-02T09:01:46Z")
> [@Jam](#): > > I want pics of a 300k mile Chrysler product. ![http://300mclub.org/forums/download/file.php?avatar=37_1248670223.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/2/f/2f495f31fd42d29c40b5d057dd034db33b0c6b02.jpeg) The one guy has almost **800K** on his '99 300M now (although he did have to put an engine in at 640K.) My '99 was strong at 185K when it was totaled. Only thing it needed was an AC compressor. :tup: I still like my big fat Chrysler, even though my current one isn’t as trouble-free as my first. ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/78 "2012-08-02T10:11:48Z")
> [@97FormulaWS-6](#): > > Speaking of Moose… out here in UT there’s all over the Canyons that I have to drive through to get to the ski resorts, typically there’s one or two accidents a year with cars Vs. Moose… They’ll also get into the middle of the road and just stand there and block the road until they feel like moving. Always a bunch a year up here in VT as well. And from my experience of seeing a few crossing the road, they do not give a single fuck. Making matters worse, they are attracted to the roads because they lick the salt. Moose/car collisions are UGLY. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/79 "2012-08-02T21:23:00Z")
> [@Jam](#): > > The humping is strong with this one. > > I don’t believe you. I want pics of a 300k mile Chrysler product. They don’t exist. Will snap pics tomorrow of the retired work van that was just replaced that is in the 250-270 range if I recall. ---------- Post added at 12:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:15 AM ---------- [/COLOR] > [@LZ](#): > > Dan try this… > > [Google Alerts - Monitor the Web for interesting new content](http://www.google.com/alerts) > > site:nyspeed.com “Viper” I own a Jeep too fuckstick. I wasn’t the one who brought Vipers into this… surprisingly. ---
**Author:** ![Quattro\_Krant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ac91a4/32.png) [@Quattro\_Krant](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quattro_Krant)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeeps/224913/80 "2012-08-03T03:51:26Z")
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