# job sites **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 16, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/job-sites/252737 "2010-06-16T19:17:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 58
**Author:** ![SlackJ94](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slackj94/32/6325_2.png) [@SlackJ94](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlackJ94)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/job-sites/252737/58 "2010-06-18T05:28:10Z")
> [@FS:92 Turbo Hatch \*S O L D\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-92-turbo-hatch-s-o-l-d/31293/116): > > You sound like a $12/hr truck driver. > > That’s pretty short sighted. 5 years is no time, and if you want to get paid more you need to have knowledge you can offer an employer. $12/hr to start as an apprentice sounds like decent money to me! Over the course of 5 years you get scheduled pay raises. At the end of those 5 years no matter what trade you get involved with you’ll be making around $30/hr. Then you’ll have a REAL TRADE with REAL SKILLS that you can offer an employer! If you stick with a labor union you will get a real pension, which basically ZERO employers offer now, good health insurance, and a camaraderie with your fellow tradesmen that nobody outside of a construction trade union can understand. +1 You either put the time in, or make $12 an hour the rest of your life. Map up. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/job-sites/252737)._