# JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 15, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394 "2009-11-15T20:33:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/21 "2009-11-15T22:15:54Z")
> [@ny97sohc"](#): > > problem is society is just as retarded cuz we voted the morons into office… hence current presidency… Yah we should probably turn to facism and start murdering an entire group of people… your into that stuff right? ---
**Author:** ![kramerbuccs24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kramerbuccs24/32/6397_2.png) [@kramerbuccs24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kramerbuccs24)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/22 "2009-11-15T22:16:00Z")
fuck college ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast1/32/6546_2.png) [@Auto0utcast1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast1)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/23 "2009-11-15T22:19:29Z")
> [@I've never wanted a 5 series more....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ive-never-wanted-a-5-series-more/25868/17): > > Yah we should probably turn to facism and start murdering an entire group of people… your into that stuff right? :ponder ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/24 "2009-11-15T22:44:02Z")
> [@I've never wanted a 5 series more....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ive-never-wanted-a-5-series-more/25868/17): > > Yah we should probably turn to facism and start murdering an entire group of people… your into that stuff right? i wouldnt expect a serious convo about things of this nature on this site, but your missing the point we arent saying our governtment cant work, thats insane, were saying its leadership currently isnt working and its harming us, the people that matter. the ones that work their balls off every day only to be let down or put into debt by the cocksuckers that use us and our hardtimes to get rich. all the while taking other country’s problem children in and giving them free rides. its bullshit thats all their is to say. ---
**Author:** ![vwkawavw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vwkawavw/32/6516_2.png) [@vwkawavw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vwkawavw)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/25 "2009-11-15T22:45:59Z")
Now I am not knocking anyones lifestyle choices but it sounds like joe should have went to college, then he wouldn’t be bitching about an illegal immigrant making/having more loot. I have noticed a lot of people on this excuse of a forum have a very egocentric attitude. I’m almost positive most of YOU (if you trace your lineage) have ancestors that were once immigrants to this country. So put your man pants on and quit your bitchin. ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast1/32/6546_2.png) [@Auto0utcast1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast1)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/26 "2009-11-15T22:50:15Z")
> [@got into a wreck today](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/got-into-a-wreck-today/25871/5): > > Now I am not knocking anyones lifestyle choices but it sounds like joe should have went to college, then he wouldn’t be bitching about an illegal immigrant making/having more loot. I have noticed a lot of people on this excuse of a forum have a very egocentric attitude. I’m almost positive most of YOU (if you trace your lineage) have ancestors that were once immigrants to this country. So put your man pants on and quit your bitchin. i have no problem with immigrants… i have a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants. if you are deliberately trying to use our countrys resources and contribute nothing in return… get the fuck out or off yourself. it has nothing to do with going to college or not. it has to do with scumbags abusing the system who shouldnt be here to begin with and taking AMERICAN jobs. ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/27 "2009-11-15T22:50:36Z")
thats the point most of you idiots are missing, these JOE LEGALs of today, ARE GOING TO COLLEGE and still cant get by. like i said in one of my previous posts. alot of our construction guys today alot of plumbers alot of electricians go to shcool. not all college necesarilly but alot do go ahead and get their associates in a program or go to trade school. yeah everyone traces back to an immigrancy backround, but when our ancestors immigrated they made america the wonderful country it is, the immigrants of today are bringing us to their level. ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/28 "2009-11-15T22:52:01Z")
> [@Official 24 Thread - 2007](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-24-thread-2007/22722/214): > > i have no problem with immigrants… i have a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants. if you are deliberately trying to use our countrys resources and contribute nothing in return… get the fuck out or off yourself. it has nothing to do with going to college or not. it has to do with scumbags abusing the system who shouldnt be here to begin with and taking AMERICAN jobs. ditto, well worded. better than i just did ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/29 "2009-11-15T23:03:22Z")
Who hires JOSE ILLEGAL? ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast1/32/6546_2.png) [@Auto0utcast1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast1)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/30 "2009-11-15T23:09:03Z")
> [@FS: Xsata for xbox360.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-xsata-for-xbox360/25518/7): > > Who hires JOSE ILLEGAL? apparently a fictional californian construction company with shitty insurance policies and no unionized workers? ---
**Author:** ![Yetti\_VR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yetti_vr/32/6357_2.png) [@Yetti\_VR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Yetti_VR)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/31 "2009-11-15T23:13:33Z")
people are really missing the point of this discussion. ALL ILLEGALS should be deported. there is a reason they are called ILLEGALS. whether you go to college or not why should you pay for someone who doesn’t contribute anything to our country. I dont agree with the direction or government is going. i’m not a fan of socialism and never have been. we really need to get back to our constitutionalist routes. ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast1/32/6546_2.png) [@Auto0utcast1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast1)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/32 "2009-11-15T23:14:49Z")
> [@So after 6 months...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-after-6-months/25816/32): > > people are really missing the point of this discussion. ALL ILLEGALS should be deported. there is a reason they are called ILLEGALS. whether you go to college or not why should you pay for someone who doesn’t contribute anything to our country. I dont agree with the direction or government is going. i’m not a fan of socialism and never have been. we really need to get back to our constitutionalist routes. this. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/33 "2009-11-15T23:24:32Z")
see my avatar quick oopsie in the story. Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has **$18,031.00.** Joe Legal pays rent of **$1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year**. Joe Legal now has **$9,631.00.** Joe has less than 9,631 to stretch out, more like **3,631** Joe Legal pays **$200.00 per month, or $2,400.00** for insurance. **Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.** Joe Legal has to make his **$7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline** , etc. poor joe is poor, with 1,231.00 Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work. **joe legal better send his wife out to get a job! and bring his kids to stay with mom and dad while he works 18+ hours a day to survive** ---
**Author:** ![DannyboyUpstate](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dannyboyupstate/32/6313_2.png) [@DannyboyUpstate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DannyboyUpstate)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/34 "2009-11-16T03:59:30Z")
> [@FS: Xsata for xbox360.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-xsata-for-xbox360/25518/7): > > Who hires JOSE ILLEGAL? THIS is the heart of the entire problem. Everyone blames JOSE ILLEGAL, when really the problem is GREEDY BLOODSUCKING BUSINESS PERSON. If there were no jobs here, or money to be gotten, Jose Illegal wouldn’t come here. The reason all the politicians support this stuff is that they all run or have direct contact with businesses that benefit from it. Also sounds like JOE LEGAL needs to join a LABOR UNION. I make more money or the same money as all my friends and I’m a college dropout. It’s all about how much effort you put into your work and post-college education. Some days it’s back breaking, some days it’s mind bending. ---
**Author:** ![GATVILLE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gatville/32/6362_2.png) [@GATVILLE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GATVILLE)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/35 "2009-11-16T06:38:40Z")
> [@FS: Xsata for xbox360.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-xsata-for-xbox360/25518/7): > > Who hires JOSE ILLEGAL? alot of times you have to hire minority contractors as some federal/state requirement, we are running into this problem right now. 90% of the workers are some form of immigrants and most get paid under the table and are most likely illegal. If you ever see abatement workers most of the time they’re hispanic :lol ---
**Author:** ![GATVILLE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gatville/32/6362_2.png) [@GATVILLE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GATVILLE)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/36 "2009-11-16T06:41:15Z")
> [@FS: 2002 ZX12r](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-2002-zx12r/25874/3): > > THIS is the heart of the entire problem. Everyone blames JOSE ILLEGAL, when really the problem is GREEDY BLOODSUCKING BUSINESS PERSON. If there were no jobs here, or money to be gotten, Jose Illegal wouldn’t come here. The reason all the politicians support this stuff is that they all run or have direct contact with businesses that benefit from it. > > **Also sounds like JOE LEGAL needs to join a LABOR UNION.** > > I make more money or the same money as all my friends and I’m a college dropout. It’s all about how much effort you put into your work and post-college education. Some days it’s back breaking, some days it’s mind bending. not necessarily, i work with people who are non-union that make double of what the non union workers make. ---
**Author:** ![Norwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Norwood](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norwood)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/37 "2009-11-16T06:50:51Z")
> [@allblackedout5"](#): > > thats the point most of you idiots are missing, these JOE LEGALs of today, ARE GOING TO COLLEGE and still cant get by. like i said in one of my previous posts. alot of our construction guys today alot of plumbers alot of electricians go to shcool. not all college necesarilly but alot do go ahead and get their associates in a program or go to trade school. yeah everyone traces back to an immigrancy backround, but when our ancestors immigrated they made america the wonderful country it is, the immigrants of today are bringing us to their level. > [@allblackedout5"](#): > > your a fucking moron, lets see in this day and age most construction workers making 25 an hour or more, have gone to school. thats the problem, even us poor zaps that go to school just to get into a back breaking field cant make it in the economy. what do you consider a better career, without that career assholes such as yourself would live in a cardbord box or in the backseat of your car. 52000 dollars a year is a pretty nice salary, and 15 years ago would be a comfortable living environment, but today its nothing due to ridiculous taxation and inflation. today the middle class struggles the fat get fatter and the poor stay the same. its bullshit. and its all due to the jerk offs that run our country > [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/3504): > > Joe Legal should have stayed in school so he can have a better career while simultaneously making more money. :lol Thank you. Im one of these Joe legals who went to school to make the 20 something dollars an hour. Illegals and the non union companys that hire them fuck us. Do you realy want a bunch of untrained mexicans fixing your bridges, parking garages, sidewalks and other shit you use on a daily basis? Going to school for 4 years and getting what you call a better carreer is not the best option for everyone. Plus while your laid off looking for a buisness job im working because i have a set of practical skills i can always use. Buildings and houses always need fixing. Even if i got laid off from my Union job i could be working tomorow for many contractors that i know. Im not saying you made a bad choice but dont imply that its a bad idea to work a construction job. Theres alot more training and school to it than you might realize. Sure any kid can get a job laboring for a company if you want to call that construction but to be a trained worker you need to spend years in the feild learning everyday. So fuck ilegals who think they can do our job. ---
**Author:** ![Norwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Norwood](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norwood)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/38 "2009-11-16T06:55:22Z")
> [@Sirius satellite radio = bad reception??](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sirius-satellite-radio-bad-reception/25864/16): > > not necessarily, i work with people who are non-union that make double of what the non union workers make. With no health insurance, inuity , pension , savings programs , or job security. That extra money doesnt come close to the amount of money that goes into our benifits. Our base wage is just whats in our envelope every week. About the same amount in our paychecks gets deposited into accounts for the things above that we can tap into and use. Ive looked into working non union. Even though they get paid more i couldnt do that and make enough to pay for all my benifits i have through the union. Plus we do better work lol. ---
**Author:** ![GATVILLE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gatville/32/6362_2.png) [@GATVILLE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GATVILLE)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/39 "2009-11-16T06:57:12Z")
> [@Norwood"](#): > > With no health insurance, inuity , pension , savings programs , or job security. That extra money doesnt come close to the amount of money that goes into our benifits. Our base wage is just whats in our envelope every week. About the same amount in our paychecks gets deposited into accounts for the things above that we can tap into and use. Ive looked into working non union. Even though they get paid more i couldnt do that and make enough to pay for all my benifits i have through the union. i can agree with you on that, its good for people like me that dont need benefits right now :lol ---
**Author:** ![Norwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Norwood](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norwood)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394/40 "2009-11-16T06:58:15Z")
Exactly its great if your not looking for a career in your feild. But if you are the union is usualy the way to go. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joe-legal-vs-jose-illegal/248394.md?page=3)