# Joined the P-car club **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 6, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614 "2012-12-06T14:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2012, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/61 "2012-12-08T12:00:41Z")
> [@XwalkerX](#): > > do some 996 research and youll understand what im saying… Totally agree with that. Awesome pickup xander. ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/62 "2012-12-08T13:14:31Z")
Congrats!!! It’s gorgeous. Has the IMS bearing issue already been dealt with on this car? ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/63 "2012-12-09T09:45:01Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#): > > Congrats!!! It’s gorgeous. Has the IMS bearing issue already been dealt with on this car? Thanks! Late 05 build, engine serial number is after 69507475. :). X… ---
**Author:** ![manhagen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/manhagen/32/7336_2.png) [@manhagen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/manhagen)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/64 "2012-12-09T17:27:58Z")
> [@Coldaccord](#): > > heh, an old roommate dd/wintered his 996. > > This summer he’s wintering an old Alfa Romeo Spider lol Niko is so practical. ---
**Author:** ![OneFastMonkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onefastmonkey/32/7241_2.png) [@OneFastMonkey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OneFastMonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/65 "2012-12-09T20:02:00Z")
Great pickup. I knew I should have gotten a job and nice things instead of having so many babies. Oh well maybe next lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/66 "2012-12-09T20:24:33Z")
> [@Coldaccord](#): > > heh, an old roommate dd/wintered his 996. > > This summer he’s wintering an old Alfa Romeo Spider lol Met this cat at aroma Friday night. Interesting guy! Showed him pics of my dads gtv6, he was a fan. I told him to buy a hard top, he said fuck that ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/67 "2012-12-10T03:40:41Z")
> [@OneFastMonkey](#): > > Great pickup. I knew I should have gotten a job and nice things instead of having so many babies. Oh well maybe next lifetime. Thanks, but I’d take a houseful of my own kids over any vehicle. You’re the lucky one! X… ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/68 "2012-12-10T05:13:14Z")
> [@Xander](#): > > Thanks! Late 05 build, engine serial number is after 69507475. :). > > X… Doesn’t that just mean it has IMS bearing that requires you split the engine case and send the IMS out to have the bearing professionally swapped? That was my understanding after all the research I did on Boxsters. [http://www.lnengineering.com/ims.html](http://www.lnengineering.com/ims.html) > MY02-05 will need a single row Retrofit™ kit, although depending on how late the build date was, there may be some MY05 vehicles with the updated M97 IMS, which is not serviceable, at least without teardown of the engine. > Revised Single row 6305 bearing IMS with larger diameter stud and 22mm nut configuration, shown with the hub flange removed. Although the bearing is accessible via a removable circlip, you cannot remove it from the IMS without disassembling the whole engine because the o.d. of the bearing is larger in diameter than the opening in the back of the case. After reading so many horror stories I’m only looking at 09 and newer since they eliminated the IMS entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Jeller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@Jeller](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeller)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/69 "2012-12-10T05:22:47Z")
From my understanding the failures of the “larger/revised single row bering” are really low rates and are not of the same concern that the earlier ones had. ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/70 "2012-12-10T08:02:25Z")
The issue is less common on that engine which is a plus. The downside is you have to rebuild the engine to do something about it even pre-emptively, so I take it you’ll be leaving this alone. You’ll probably be fine. Almost every time I’m at the Glen I see this failure occur so it’s on my mind and that’s why I brought it up. There were three of these failures in a single track day I was at earlier this year. I didn’t pay attention to what years the cars were though. They were probably all 996s. ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/71 "2012-12-10T08:12:31Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#): > > I didn’t pay attention to what years the cars were though This is how bad info leads to cars getting a bad reputation. Very disappointed in a professional like yourself. X… ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/72 "2012-12-10T10:42:37Z")
Re-read what I wrote. I posted that I know it’s less common on your gen engine and I know what changes were made. The cars that blow up while I’m at the Glen are a small number and making assumptions based on those few would be foolish even if they were all the gen engine you have. I just said that seeing the problem happen several times keeps this on my mind. ---
**Author:** ![L8APEX1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/l8apex1/32/7276_2.png) [@L8APEX1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/L8APEX1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/73 "2012-12-10T17:07:23Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#): > > I take it you’ll be leaving this alone. have you met x? X you need to post the pic you just sent me… Just sayin ---
**Author:** ![MrSmith](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mrsmith/32/5254_2.png) [@MrSmith](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MrSmith)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/74 "2012-12-10T17:58:10Z")
Why not wait for the C7 vette? Kind of serious… lol. ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/75 "2012-12-10T19:35:16Z")
> [@MrSmith](#): > > Why not wait for the C7 vette? Kind of serious… lol. I did the Vette thing, it was foreign to me… 😉 X… ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/76 "2012-12-10T19:39:19Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#): > > The issue is less common on that engine which is a plus. The downside is you have to rebuild the engine to do something about it even pre-emptively, so I take it you’ll be leaving this alone. You’ll probably be fine. Almost every time I’m at the Glen I see this failure occur so it’s on my mind and that’s why I brought it up. There were three of these failures in a single track day I was at earlier this year. I didn’t pay attention to what years the cars were though. They were probably all 996s. If it was the days I was there with you they were 996 C2’s. But yeah, happens all the time on 996’s. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/77 "2012-12-10T19:52:21Z")
the turbo is the only drivetrain to buy in the 996 chassis ---
**Author:** ![EvoMR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/evomr/32/7186_2.png) [@EvoMR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EvoMR)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/78 "2012-12-10T20:08:30Z")
I’ve actually enjoyed driving the 996. 997 is a big improvement, but I don’t think the 996 is that deserving of all the hate. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/79 "2012-12-10T21:41:25Z")
> [@XwalkerX](#): > > the turbo is the only drivetrain to buy in the 996 chassis Or GT3, since it’s the same block design. ---
**Author:** ![HallockR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hallockr/32/5331_2.png) [@HallockR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HallockR)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/80 "2012-12-11T07:28:45Z")
correct. though 996 GT3s still have their issues. the ones at the track were almost certainly 996s, probably all garbage C2s that had been running quarts low, too. try to imagine people who can’t keep 5 quarts of oil in their subaru like they’re supposed to. now try keeping 12 in, and all 5 oil pumps (I know there are 5 in my turbo) going properly as well. I can almost guarantee that at least 3/4 of the 996 failures that had bad seals had help from improper mainteinance. but, those are 996s. that’s why no one should touch a 996 without a turbo. Xander’s is fine. I’m not sure what all this huff and fuss is about. congrats again. R… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614.md?page=5)