# Joined the P-car club **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 6, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614 "2012-12-06T14:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/81 "2012-12-11T08:09:22Z")
> [@HallockR](#): > > correct. though 996 GT3s still have their issues. > > the ones at the track were almost certainly 996s, probably all garbage C2s that had been running quarts low, too. try to imagine people who can’t keep 5 quarts of oil in their subaru like they’re supposed to. now try keeping 12 in, and all 5 fuel pumps (I know there are 5 in my turbo) going properly as well. I can almost guarantee that at least 3/4 of the 996 failures that had bad seals had help from improper mainteinance. but, those are 996s. that’s why no one should touch a 996 without a turbo. > > Xander’s is fine. I’m not sure what all this huff and fuss is about. congrats again. > > R… 5 fuel pumps, what are you trying to say here? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/82 "2012-12-11T08:20:08Z")
So wait are you going to put a LS1 in this when the motor blows? ![http://notthehardestpart.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/enhanced-buzz-15854-1300424464-1.jpg](http://notthehardestpart.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/enhanced-buzz-15854-1300424464-1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![HallockR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hallockr/32/5331_2.png) [@HallockR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HallockR)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/83 "2012-12-11T09:12:28Z")
> [@POOPRA](#): > > 5 fuel pumps, what are you trying to say here? yars fast typing!! thank yousss!! ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/84 "2012-12-11T09:18:11Z")
man, are c2 996’s really that bad? ---
**Author:** ![91MR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91mr2/32/7217_2.png) [@91MR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91MR2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/85 "2012-12-11T10:32:20Z")
It is hard to believe they are that bad…but I don’t follow them too closely, so… :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![HallockR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hallockr/32/5331_2.png) [@HallockR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HallockR)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/86 "2012-12-11T10:41:39Z")
internet horror stories are enough to spook people away from them, but, for real, they’re no good. you can buy one, tear it down, put a new bearing in, and hope that nothing ever happens. but, what will actually happen is you’ll never drive it, and when you do, you’ll be scared of it blowing up, and you’ll constantly be looking in the rearview for blue smoke. “when’s it gonna go?” will be in the back of your head, all the time. Porsche fucked up, they designed a housing for a bearing that actually kills the bearing itself… they made the bearing race stud out of a tin can. simple solution: don’t buy one, don’t even look up how much they go for. again, though, Xander, great pick up. can’t wait for the summer time. ---
**Author:** ![91MR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91mr2/32/7217_2.png) [@91MR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91MR2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/87 "2012-12-11T11:04:38Z")
Wow… ---
**Author:** ![Jeller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@Jeller](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeller)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/88 "2012-12-11T13:06:44Z")
> [@91MR2](#): > > Wow… Porsche designed these motors using a sealed ball bearing that is pressed into the intermediate shaft (Figure 6). These types of bearings are typically used in things like copy machines and other machinery used in dry conditions. In theory, the area where Porsche designed the bearing to sit is supposed to be dry. However, after years of use within the engine, it would appear that oil and contaminants from the engine seep past the bearing seal, wash out the original lubricant and become trapped inside. The result is that the bearing now operates in a less-than-ideal environment and begins to wear prematurely. When the bearing wears out, the timing chains on the engine may disengage, and the engine will quickly self-destruct. When the bearing does begin to deteriorate, foreign object debris from the bearing circulates throughout the engine, causing damage to other areas in the engine. This appears to be one of the most common failure mechanisms present with the Boxster and 996 Carrera engine. Link to entire Pelican parts article/repair: [Pelican Parts Technical Article: Boxster Intermediate Shaft Bearing Replacement and Upgrade (IMS) - 986 Boxster (1997-04) - 987 Boxster (2005-06)](http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/89 "2012-12-11T13:28:47Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > So wait are you going to put a LS1 in this when the motor blows? > > ![http://notthehardestpart.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/enhanced-buzz-15854-1300424464-1.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/6/2/62763766600607a1a59a1b8ace4b1e6fdd708cb0.jpeg) I was thinking something rotary…LOL The good thing in all this is that I am not a baller on a budget, and can afford to buy a new engine for any of my vehicles. So despite the overwhelming concern of certain NYSpeed members, I’m gonna be just fine 😉 X… ---
**Author:** ![GV1390](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gv1390/32/5432_2.png) [@GV1390](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GV1390)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/90 "2012-12-11T13:32:53Z")
lol so much shit for such a flawless car. :gotme: X now you gotta make it sound as good as that sexy blue P car… ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/91 "2012-12-11T14:14:32Z")
> [@GV1390](#): > > lol so much shit for such a flawless car. :gotme: X now you gotta make it sound as good as that sexy blue P car… Best way to do that is sell mine and spend the extra $$$ for a turbo, but I’ll try the lower budget route first. X… ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/92 "2012-12-11T16:30:15Z")
Congrats! You and Jeller make me wish I never went into engineering, I do cool shit, you buy cool shit… If you ever out burning gas, stop by. That being said, you have a pm ---
**Author:** ![EvoMR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/evomr/32/7186_2.png) [@EvoMR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EvoMR)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/93 "2012-12-11T16:53:01Z")
> [@Xander](#): > > Best way to do that is sell mine and spend the extra $$$ for a turbo, but I’ll try the lower budget route first. > > X… NA cars are for the purists. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/94 "2012-12-11T17:39:41Z")
i dont always 996 but when i do i prefer jdm reliability… ![http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Sk0D5oHapiI/AAAAAAAB45c/cmYv6S6ThY0/s800/Acura-Integra-911-0.JPG](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Sk0D5oHapiI/AAAAAAAB45c/cmYv6S6ThY0/s800/Acura-Integra-911-0.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/95 "2012-12-11T17:42:39Z")
Is that a 996 integra? LOL X… ---
**Author:** ![livin4hockey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d2c977/32.png) [@livin4hockey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/livin4hockey)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/96 "2012-12-11T18:39:52Z")
I believe it is lol. ---
**Author:** ![EvoMR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/evomr/32/7186_2.png) [@EvoMR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EvoMR)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/97 "2012-12-11T18:59:55Z")
P car crew is growing. ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/98 "2012-12-11T19:06:11Z")
Flawless Walker. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/99 "2012-12-11T20:02:38Z")
> [@EvoMR](#): > > P car crew is growing. :snky: ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614/100 "2012-12-12T05:23:59Z")
> [@Jeller](#): > > Porsche designed these motors using a sealed ball bearing that is pressed into the intermediate shaft (Figure 6). These types of bearings are typically used in things like copy machines and other machinery used in dry conditions. In theory, the area where Porsche designed the bearing to sit is supposed to be dry. However, after years of use within the engine, it would appear that oil and contaminants from the engine seep past the bearing seal, wash out the original lubricant and become trapped inside. The result is that the bearing now operates in a less-than-ideal environment and begins to wear prematurely. When the bearing wears out, the timing chains on the engine may disengage, and the engine will quickly self-destruct. When the bearing does begin to deteriorate, foreign object debris from the bearing circulates throughout the engine, causing damage to other areas in the engine. This appears to be one of the most common failure mechanisms present with the Boxster and 996 Carrera engine. > > Link to entire Pelican parts article/repair: [Pelican Parts Technical Article: Boxster Intermediate Shaft Bearing Replacement and Upgrade (IMS) - 986 Boxster (1997-04) - 987 Boxster (2005-06)](http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing.htm) Good post :tup: Interesting read. I would guess that the aftermarket has pounced on this and you can repair the engine correctly with a new HD bearing and seal? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/joined-the-p-car-club/227614.md?page=6)