# Jonbenet's alleged killer extradited **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [August 17, 2006, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062 "2006-08-17T09:16:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AlbinoMonkeyRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AlbinoMonkeyRat](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AlbinoMonkeyRat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/21 "2006-08-17T14:23:16Z")
Mel Gibson was in headlines for drunk driving and spewing shit from his mouth while Hezbolla and Isreal were trading missles in the air. I think our logic on why it is actually on the news is right…because we know how the media works…but things that SHOULD be in the news is entirely up to the media. All they care about is ratings. War used to be #1 in ratings…but when USA isn’t one of the sides in the war, US media isn’t going to cover it. THAT is why Jon Benet is back in the news. USA not blowing stuff up + confusing war = US media digs shit up about celebrities and open murder cases. ---
**Author:** ![fbrendan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fbrendan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fbrendan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/22 "2006-08-17T14:30:46Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > I’m not playing the race card, the media is. I didn’t mean you were, even though I said it. I agree with you. Whatever, I don’t care. I know the media sucks. Mel Gibson hating Jews, not news. Pedophiles being publicly known, news IMO. ---
**Author:** ![PsngrSeatsR4Boys](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psngrseatsr4boys/32/3078_2.png) [@PsngrSeatsR4Boys](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PsngrSeatsR4Boys)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/23 "2006-08-17T14:34:53Z")
its sad that her parents were accused and had to suffer so much…now a month after her mom dies…they find her murderer. thats so rough. ---
**Author:** ![ly555is](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3bc359/32.png) [@ly555is](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ly555is)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/24 "2006-08-17T16:16:44Z")
> [@AlbinoMonkeyRat](#): > > Mel Gibson was in headlines for drunk driving and spewing shit from his mouth while Hezbolla and Isreal were trading missles in the air. I think our logic on why it is actually on the news is right…because we know how the media works…but things that SHOULD be in the news is entirely up to the media. All they care about is ratings. War used to be #1 in ratings…but when USA isn’t one of the sides in the war, US media isn’t going to cover it. THAT is why Jon Benet is back in the news. USA not blowing stuff up + confusing war = US media digs shit up about celebrities and open murder cases. i feel like patting you on the head and sending you out to play for figuring that out all by yourself ---
**Author:** ![slasky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slasky/32/7408_2.png) [@slasky](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slasky)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/25 "2006-08-17T16:43:07Z")
> [@PsngrSeatsR4Boys](#): > > its sad that her parents were accused and had to suffer so much…now a month after her mom dies…they find her murderer. thats so rough. They have not found her murderer yet. They found a sick bastard who says that he did it. ---
**Author:** ![fbrendan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fbrendan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fbrendan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/26 "2006-08-17T19:53:02Z")
:word: ---
**Author:** ![freebyrd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freebyrd/32/7489_2.png) [@freebyrd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/freebyrd)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/27 "2006-08-17T22:04:12Z")
Even if the guy is innocent i would still lock him up because he looks like a child molester/physco. i dont know why but he kind of reminds me of pee-wee herman. ![http://www.courttv.com/graphics2/photos/inside/lede/mugshots-defendants-suspects/male/a-l/karr-inside-081706.jpg](http://www.courttv.com/graphics2/photos/inside/lede/mugshots-defendants-suspects/male/a-l/karr-inside-081706.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![AlbinoMonkeyRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AlbinoMonkeyRat](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AlbinoMonkeyRat)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/28 "2006-08-18T00:18:10Z")
> [@ghettostyleTA](#): > > i feel like patting you on the head and sending you out to play for figuring that out all by yourself can I have a cookie too! ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/29 "2006-08-18T07:22:15Z")
The more I read about this guy the more I start to doubt he’s the killer. I think he’s just really fucked up in the head. It will be interesting to see what evidence they have BESIDES the confession. ---
**Author:** ![RobHimself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e480ec/32.png) [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/30 "2006-08-18T07:25:19Z")
They really don’t have any evidence. So far i have heard that he was obsessed with the crime and contacted some guy who was writing a book about it. The guy who was writing the book called the poilice cause the psycho dude was acting all weird. The psycho’s ex wife says he was with her that christmas and they were with their family in north dakota or georgia. ---
**Author:** ![Silver](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silver/32/4953_2.png) [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/31 "2006-08-21T07:04:55Z")
He has never said that he killed her… only that he was there when she died and that he “loved her very much.” Of course, I haven’t read the news for today… so that could have changed since Thursday when I last read about it. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/32 "2006-08-21T09:51:17Z")
I think him + another guy are the killers. Specifically, Michael Helgoth. > [@CBS News](#): > > * * * > > 48 Hours has learned that the DA’s office is using this DNA profile to investigate several suspects in the case. > > One of those suspects came to light in a most dramatic way. It was early in 1997, when Alex Hunter, then Boulder district attorney, made a startling announcement: “I want to say something to the person or persons that took this baby from us. The list of suspects narrows. Soon, there will be no one on the list but you.” > > Those words were written by the FBI as part of a strategy to put the killer and any accomplices under pressure. That strategy may have worked. But just two days later, the Boulder Sheriff’s Department discovered a man by the name of Michael Helgoth, dead in his home, an apparent suicide. > > Did he have anything to do with JonBenet’s murder? “We were walking along at the end of the day, just as calm as can be. He just casually comes up and says, ‘I wonder what it’d be like to crack a human skull,’” says John Kenady, who worked with Helgoth at an auto salvage yard outside of Boulder. “And I looked at him and I thought, ‘Whoa, I don’t want to have this conversation.’” > > Just a few months before JonBenet’s murder, Kenady says he noticed a change in Helgoth’s attitude: “Mike was pretty happy around late November, about him and a partner making a killer deal, and they were each gonna make $50,000 or $60,000.” > > Kenady didn’t think anything of it, until he read in newspapers about the ransom note found at the Ramsey home that demanded a curious $118,000. It was close to the amount Helgoth had said he and his unknown partner would make -– and it was a ransom that was never paid to anyone. > > “Then Christmas goes – comes. And then he’s really depressed. And there’s no money. And then he said that he wanted to crack a human skull,” says Kenady. “And then, she received a crack in her skull. I felt obligated to go to the police department and tell them what I knew.” > > Gray says Kenady “provided a very relevant piece of information that should have been a priority lead for the Boulder police department.” Kenady says he called 10-20 times, but got no response: “No one would call me back.” > > “I got the distinct feeling that they had absolutely no interest in anything that took them away from the theory that John and Patsy Ramsey killed their daughter,” says Gray, even though he and San Augustin were convinced Helgoth was worth a closer look. > > “His friends say that he owns several stun guns, that he was a gun nut,” adds Gray. “And supposedly through the sources that we talked to, that he used to break into people’s houses just for the thrill of doing it.” > > The stun gun is important because Gray and San Augustin believe, from examining autopsy photos, that JonBenet was incapacitated with one at some point during her attack. > > “In that time frame, 1995-95 time frame, the only stun gun that had a laser sight on it was Air Taser,” says Gray, who adds that he believes this was the same type of stun gun used on JonBenet. > > San Augustin adds that the high-tech boots, which they later took into possession, were originally ignored by investigators in Helgoth’s home. But they were later discovered by Kenady and passed on to Gray and San Augustin. > > San Augustin showed 48 Hours the underside of Helgoth’s boot. “On the left is the high tech impression that was made in the area where JonBenet’s body was found,” says San Augustin. “There’s no reason for Helgoth’s boot to be in the Ramsey home where JonBenet’s body was found.” > > The investigators turned the boots over to the Boulder police, who now claim their investigation showed they were the wrong size for a match. But they have yet to be turned over to the district attorney for further analysis. > > The private detectives in their investigation also uncovered a number of Helgoth’s personal video tapes that they say the sheriff’s office ignored. San Augustin says they found one piece of video that included coverage of an unsolved murder in Colorado. > > But what was even more disturbing were videotapes of Helgoth and one of his girlfriend’s children. “The ex-girlfriend and he had a major argument over supposedly her coming home and finding the daughter in the bedroom, and he was in bed under covers and she was on the covers,” says Gray. “They had a big fight and there were temporary restraining orders issued.” > > Most surprising of all, however, was the nature of Helgoth’s suicide. Investigators initially said he died from a bullet to his head. But in fact, Gray says, the fatal shot was nowhere near his head. > > “The gun was found on Michael’s right and he’s right-handed,” says Gray. “The bullet hole is on Michael’s left and it goes across the body from left to right.” > > “It became really odd to us that he would then take the gun and bring it around and then try and shoot himself,” adds San Augustin. “It doesn’t make sense why you would have somebody commit suicide in that manner.” > > The investigators were left with only one conclusion. Someone killed Helgoth. Why? > > ## “If he’s one of two people involved in a major, major-major death of a small girl, what’s the best way to eliminate an – you know, the word getting out that you had any involvement in it?” asks Gray. “You eliminate your partner.” > > Was Helgoth involved in JonBenet’s murder – and was he killed by a partner for what he knew? In the Ramsey ransom note, there was the mention of “two gentleman who are watching over your daughter.” > > “If you look at the case real close, you’ll see that quite possibly there was more than one person involved,” says San Augustin. > > But there is one thing investigators are sure of: Helgoth’s DNA does not match the DNA profile sitting in the Denver crime lab. > > “Investigators must be careful not to put all the weight in the investigation on the DNA because the DNA, as important as it is, could be misleading them, depending on who it matches or who it doesn’t match,” says LaBerge. > > ## It could mean that if Helgoth was involved, he wasn’t alone. And the person who sexually assaulted and killed JonBenet is still out there. > > How did 6-year-old JonBenet become a target? Gray and San Augustin have a theory of how she may have been marked for death. > > “She was high profile in her community. She had just participated in several pageants in the general area,” says Gray. “She had participated in the Christmas parade in Boulder. So you know you have seen her.” > > Investigators believe that putting JonBenet in the public eye may have inadvertently put her in the sights of a sexual predator as well. ---
**Author:** ![fbrendan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fbrendan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fbrendan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/33 "2006-08-21T14:17:47Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Michael Helgoth. DAWT (to some extent.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/34 "2006-08-28T13:57:13Z")
And they just dropped the charges against him. That DNA that was on the body that I mentioned earlier would probably be real important… it was, it wasn’t a match. [http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![djdstar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/djdstar/32/7617_2.png) [@djdstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/djdstar)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/35 "2006-08-28T14:19:41Z")
anyone who buttons the top button of their collar is automatically a child toucher. ---
**Author:** ![StairSRT4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stairsrt4/32/7585_2.png) [@StairSRT4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StairSRT4)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/36 "2006-08-29T06:44:50Z")
> [@DarkkstaR](#): > > anyone who buttons the top button of their collar is automatically a child toucher. :lol: agreed!! even though that guy’s DNA doesn’t match, he still has done “bad things” to little girls and he is getting charged in CA for child pornography and probably a few other things. That guy needs to be locked up regardless of this outcome ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/37 "2006-08-29T07:03:33Z")
> [@DarkkstaR](#): > > anyone who buttons the top button of their collar is automatically a child toucher. HAHA! Spot on. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062/38 "2006-08-29T07:04:24Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > And they just dropped the charges against him. > > That DNA that was on the body that I mentioned earlier would probably be real important… it was, it wasn’t a match. > > [No DNA match, no JonBenet charges - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html) tehehehhehehe > [@JayS](#): > > Well, considering the guy confessed, and has continued to confess in front of the news cameras, I don’t think there is much doubt anymore. tehehehehhe Is he gonna get charged for the travel expenses? If not…I think I’ve just found the cheapest way to travel :lol: [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jonbenets-alleged-killer-extradited/16062.md?page=1)