# Just a friendly reminder to get the ice/snow from your roof! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 3, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802 "2015-03-03T06:21:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/41 "2015-03-04T15:12:59Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > So I finished the new ceiling walls and flooring in my large family room. I was not paying attention to the ice dams and when i came home the other night my ceiling was dumping water. all total I have had about 15 gallons of water enter the house. I have dealt with the issue (sledgehammer) and now the water has stopped but I will have to replace a good amount of drywall on the ceiling. Owning a carpet extractor likely saved the flooring and sub floor from water damage. > > When I called my insurance company they found a HUGE mistake in my policy, well several. The biggest is that I have a $2600 deductible!!! WTF. I said are there any other mistakes, and she came back and said that my house is insured for less than its value! I asked for 1.5x value. Bastards. Since I called to inform them I am stuck on the high deductible as it would apply to this claim so I basically get to fix all of this out of my pocket. FML. > > All that said looking into the root cause is a great place to start. Even before I hacked the ice out I went up to the attic and found that when they insulated the stuffed it all into the soffits thus blocking the vents. I hate cleaning up and paying for other peoples mistakes. You know insurance offices carry their own coverage for if/when they make these mistakes. If you have documentation showing you requested something and got something else, you might have a case. Depending on what you signed and what you didn’t sign is a determining factor as well. That’s shitty though that you now have to deal with that. Sometimes with a house under construction, they will only insure it for ACV coverage, which isn’t as good as replacement cost. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/42 "2015-03-04T16:06:27Z")
I called around today and no one has roof melt locally. None of the Home Depots, Lowe’s or local hardware stores (I didn’t call ALL of them but the ones I did call said they were sold out.) ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/43 "2015-03-04T16:23:24Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > You know insurance offices carry their own coverage for if/when they make these mistakes. If you have documentation showing you requested something and got something else, you might have a case. > > Depending on what you signed and what you didn’t sign is a determining factor as well. > > That’s shitty though that you now have to deal with that. Sometimes with a house under construction, they will only insure it for ACV coverage, which isn’t as good as replacement cost. I did this all on the phone as we were racing to closing. They knew that there was construction as is the case with everything that I do but we all agree to call it cosmetic remodeling. They know that I live here and take great care of my possessions. I have all of my insurance with them so we do work well. I will not fault them for a mistake that will only cost a couple thousand. In the end after my rate went up I would probably be spending the money anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/44 "2015-03-04T16:50:05Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > I’ve had some people tell me they work great, but when the temperatures drop to sub zero, they aren’t effective anymore. > > Biggest piece of advice is to just get the snow off your roof. Most people don’t realize the snow turns to ice, expands into the shingles and melts when it reaches into the house. If you get most of the snow off, you will have very minimal issues. You’re sort of right. ---
**Author:** ![llink78](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/llink78/32/8037_2.png) [@llink78](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/llink78)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/45 "2015-03-04T17:23:13Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > I called around today and no one has roof melt locally. None of the Home Depots, Lowe’s or local hardware stores (I didn’t call ALL of them but the ones I did call said they were sold out.) a local hardware store had a sign out today saying they had a lot of roof melter available. It’s on the corner of Clinton and Holly in south buffalo. Don’t know the actual name of the store though. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/46 "2015-03-04T17:33:03Z")
Someone I know said the roof pellets sucked. Who knows if they were used properly or in what quantity though. I think personally I’d use a torch to melt a channel over sledging my roof and damaging my shingles or worse. I raked several times this year, I was starting to think I was paranoid and wasted my time. Guess not. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/47 "2015-03-04T17:45:07Z")
The hammer is safe if you are not a dummy about it. The key is just to Crack it up and then remove by hand or with a roof rake. A torch is much more dangerous to the roof. I did lose one gutter in my attempts, hit too far forward on the ice and that was enough to cause it to rip clear off. ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/48 "2015-03-04T17:45:33Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > Someone I know said the roof pellets sucked. Who knows if they were used properly or in what quantity though. I think personally I’d use a torch to melt a channel over sledging my roof and damaging my shingles or worse. I raked several times this year, I was starting to think I was paranoid and wasted my time. Guess not. You’re right. Melt all the ice you want but unless you give it somewhere to run off, you’re not helping matters, maybe even making it worse. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/49 "2015-03-04T17:59:11Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > The hammer is safe if you are not a dummy about it. The key is just to Crack it up and then remove by hand or with a roof rake. A torch is much more dangerous to the roof. I did lose one gutter in my attempts, hit too far forward on the ice and that was enough to cause it to rip clear off. Couldn’t the same be said about a torch, “if you are not a dummy about it”? I don’t think this is rocket science, find the low point of the jam (shingle not gutter side) and make a channel…water will flow to the low point. Thanks Obama. Added— Don’t be a dummy and torch into your shingles, you don’t need to channel into the soffit. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gus/32/5112_2.png) [@Gus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/50 "2015-03-04T18:03:00Z")
Just bought my first house, and did the final walk through tonight. Roof was fine,mainly because the retarded property manager turned off all utilities, despite what the contract states, and the pipes all burst in the basement. Not on my dime either. This is why you never buy a house “as is.” ---
**Author:** ![JustinH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JustinH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JustinH)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/51 "2015-03-04T18:08:45Z")
I’m surprised there are not more steel roofs on homes in NY. They are all over the ski areas, but not so many in the buffalo area. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/52 "2015-03-04T18:13:23Z")
> [@JustinH](#): > > I’m surprised there are not more steel roofs on homes in NY. > > They are all over the ski areas, but not so many in the buffalo area. Kinda expensive up front I’d imagine, no? I would be worried about leaking and noise in a storm I think. Can anyone school me on metal roofing, I may need a roof next spring. ---
**Author:** ![Gus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gus/32/5112_2.png) [@Gus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/53 "2015-03-04T18:27:05Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > Kinda expensive up front I’d imagine, no? I would be worried about leaking and noise in a storm I think. Can anyone school me on metal roofing, I may need a roof next spring. I doubt they leak… but I would be worried if my neighbors house caught on fire, it wouldn’t burn through the roof. Then it’s a matter of time before the fire pushed to my house from the side ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/54 "2015-03-04T18:32:21Z")
Metal roofing is not immune to ice damming and leaking. There are two types. The more popular is “barn panel” with exposed fasteners. Standing seam has concealed fasteners but are typically more expensive. Personally, I don’t like the idea of popping hundreds of holes in my new roof and depending on the rubber washer to keep a watertight seal. Finish durability and warranty are important, along with skilled installation. As with asphalt roofs, ventillation is key. I’ve also been told ventilating the underside of the metal is important to prevent moisture / degredation. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/55 "2015-03-04T18:39:18Z")
Oh its fun when people try to understand commercial roofing… Metal roofs are prone to leaking as much as any due to ice dams. I know since I have been removing ice for the past 2 weeks from them. Exposed fastened barn panel shouldn’t even qualify as a roof…it is junk regardless of who installs it. Standing seam is great except on larger buildings, you have lock multiple panels together to cover the entire run…slope to eave. Guess what they use at these unions…exposed fasteners and a bar. Also, as water runs to gutter, which is full of ice, the water gets stopped and sits on the fasteners at the panel securement at the eave…resulting in leaks. Also since they traditionally vent above the gutter, the water can enter in to the building at the vents which are located in the “trapezoid” standing seams and are generally filled with just a foam to keep bugs out. There are also way too many different types of warranty one metal roof systems…“watertight” does not mean what you think it does. There are also very few systems that achieve a hydrokinetic warranty and most systems are victims of capillary action. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/56 "2015-03-04T18:47:36Z")
You 2 just confirmed what I was thinking/imagining. Thanks for the info. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/57 "2015-03-04T18:50:02Z")
Metal roofs are pretty much all anyone installs where I grew up on the border of NY and Quebec. The winter we’ve had here is almost mild compared to what they regularly get and I never even heard of ice dams until I moved here. I think the big difference is the metal roof had a much lower friction coefficient than shingles. When it starts to melt you hear what sounds like thunder and the whole mass of snow slides off. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/58 "2015-03-04T18:59:51Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Metal roofs are pretty much all anyone installs where I grew up on the border of NY and Quebec. The winter we’ve had here is almost mild compared to what they regularly get and I never even heard of ice dams until I moved here. I think the big difference is the metal roof had a much lower friction coefficient than shingles. When it starts to melt you hear what sounds like thunder and the whole mass of snow slides off. No gutters out there I’d imagine? ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/59 "2015-03-04T19:03:36Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Metal roofs are pretty much all anyone installs where I grew up on the border of NY and Quebec. The winter we’ve had here is almost mild compared to what they regularly get and I never even heard of ice dams until I moved here. I think the big difference is the metal roof had a much lower friction coefficient than shingles. When it starts to melt you hear what sounds like thunder and the whole mass of snow slides off. I had two mini avalanches late last night. Definitely keeps your senses sharp. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-friendly-reminder-to-get-the-ice-snow-from-your-roof/271802/60 "2015-03-05T06:08:04Z")
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