# Just a little update on the house/garage **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 14, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485 "2011-10-14T14:38:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/21 "2011-12-08T07:23:22Z")
It was awful man. It brought me back to my army days when I would shave with a hand mirror in my tent. It had to go. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/22 "2011-12-08T07:48:55Z")
The before looked like a bad hospital or retirement home bathroom. Looks alot better now. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/23 "2011-12-08T07:58:43Z")
Nice… hard to work with ceilings that are angled :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/24 "2011-12-08T09:47:09Z")
Definitely better, but you might be able to run the lines in the other wall or the floors? drywall for that small of an area is pretty cheap. > [@Willybeen](#): > > Nice… hard to work with ceilings that are angled :tup: You can say that again. I had 500 sq’ of it I turned into a master bedroom at my last house, now the place I have I am doing it all over again. FML Last cape I’m gonna live in, that’s for sure. X… ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/25 "2011-12-08T11:12:38Z")
> [@Xander](#): > > Definitely better, but you might be able to run the lines in the other wall or the floors? drywall for that small of an area is pretty cheap. > > You can say that again. I had 500 sq’ of it I turned into a master bedroom at my last house, now the place I have I am doing it all over again. FML Last cape I’m gonna live in, that’s for sure. > > X… I did think about that, but the space is useless anyways other than putting a shelf there and that’s what I did. With the angle of the roof line, this setup would useless to anyone else other than me. I am 5’6", so it works perfect for me. ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/26 "2011-12-08T12:00:41Z")
I have plans for my basement since it is basically free and clear right now with newer drain tile. It is partially finished and I will be picking up a pool table tonight to put down there to get the process started. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/27 "2011-12-08T13:01:38Z")
Come get my pool table, Vintage 20s/30s Pool Hall table with original balls and cues. ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/28 "2011-12-08T13:13:40Z")
How much and is it in good shape? ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/29 "2011-12-08T16:36:23Z")
> [@bobbyg1243](#): > > How much and is it in good shape? Needs new felt and refinishing…it’s also heavy as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/30 "2011-12-08T17:10:58Z")
No Thanks, I got a lead on a really nice one tonight and it’s a pretty good deal. Just gotta get some manpower together to move it. ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/31 "2011-12-13T17:21:32Z")
So in the past few days, I have made a lot of progress on the basement. I picked up a very nice pool table and I started doing the walls out the outside and I may have knocked down a wall today too! Anyways, enjoy, it’s all I have right now. Took this wall down and I plan to bulk up the main support beam so that I can remove that middle post. ![http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-05-13_963.jpg](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-05-13_963.jpg) I shifted gears on the whole wall setup and ditched the idea of the polystyrene foam since my basement is really dry. I figured it was money that could be put elsewhere right now. ![http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-05-03_960.jpg](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-05-03_960.jpg) ![http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-16-41_334.jpg](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-16-41_334.jpg) ![http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-49-57_876.jpg](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/bobbyg1243/2011-12-13_19-49-57_876.jpg) I am going to try and get some more framing done tomorrow, but we will see how it goes. I have a busy day planned. ---
**Author:** ![91MR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91mr2/32/7217_2.png) [@91MR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91MR2)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/32 "2011-12-13T19:38:15Z")
Looks great. ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/33 "2011-12-13T19:41:34Z")
After some advice from a good friend, he informed me that I should remove the plastic because the insulation has a vapor barrier on it and it will cause a trap for condensation and start to mold. Can anyone verify this? It’s not a big deal since I only did one 8’ section, but I would rather do it right. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/34 "2011-12-13T19:56:45Z")
Yes the plastic is bad, and I am thinking that the insulation is backward. The vapor barrier needs to be against the concrete or moisture will build and mold within the fiber glass batts. I will need to refer to a better source than my memmory but I am pretty sure. Posted from tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/35 "2011-12-13T20:00:16Z")
I was wrong and confusing moisture and vapor barrier. Your insulation is ok, your plastic is not correct. I have only used foam in the basement so I was pushing it using no reference. Sorry. Posted from tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/36 "2011-12-13T20:19:18Z")
Thanks for clearing it up for me. I will take the plastic off tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/37 "2011-12-13T20:29:18Z")
Do some looking around on this. I know that the barrier on the insulation is considered sufficent to code, but this link suggests that the plastic is not at all detremental to the installation but rather it may be helpful. The way that I interpret everything in the following link is that you should have a moisture barrier on the foundation wall to keep the water out, and a vapor barrier to keep any temperature shift condensation in. This leaves a void in the walls that is encased in plastic and should not contain any moisture at all. [http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/infinsul2.html](http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/infinsul2.html) from tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2011, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/38 "2011-12-14T06:02:22Z")
From what I am gathering here is that they want you to use a vapor barrier directly to the basement wall, then use insulation batts with no facing. I am really confused. I did drylock the walls, so I guess that acts as a vapor barrier. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2011, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/39 "2011-12-14T06:14:26Z")
I will let you know how the plastic over insulation works in 22 years. Thats how I did it because I too had existing walls I did not want to replace. My ONLY fear is that in the future, mold might attack the paper on the insulation. Had I started from scratch and still chose 2x4 framed walls over foam, I would have put the plastic against the foundation and under the sill plate/over the top plate. Price out hiring a drywall finisher… It really is tedious and slow unless you have developed the feel for it. Also, add water to your bucket of compund. I tried that on coat 3 and it made for a better application. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485/40 "2011-12-14T06:18:04Z")
I think the most important thing for you to do in regards to moisture/vapor barrier is to make sure that your foundation is nicely sealed and not sweating any water. Taping a piece of plastic to the wall for a few days and checking for moisture would work. It might take some extra time to make sure the wall is sealed, but it will be worth the hassle. I think hydraulic cement works well to patch and spots where water is entering. If no moisture is getting through, then you will be fine with the paper insulation. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-a-little-update-on-the-house-garage/217485.md?page=3)