# K20 VS VW
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485
**Category:** Shift518 Off Topic
**Created:** [January 26, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485 "2008-01-26T18:14:40Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/61 "2008-01-28T20:11:48Z")
> [@Boostin Camaro](#):
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> Correct…and I have seen some imports that I can buy by returning my moms Beer cans…
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> Everyone has their own preference to which car is best, what motor is better bla bla arguments like that can go on for decades and in the end, it still wont get anywhere…to each his own…In my eyes the LS1 was one of the greatest motors every created right next to the 2JZGTE where as someone else will disagree with me.
You have an ability to reply to posts completely off topic.
For the most part, domestic mods are **much** cheaper than imports. Our prices are completely jacked up. If I owned a domestic (Yea right), I basically could order the entire car out of Jegs. Nothing wrong with that but you don’t have, on average, prices like we do: ie. AEM for $2K+, catback = $1K, injectors = $500+, etc…
Yes, the LS1 is a fantastic motor. It sucks that GM wrapped D- build quality parts around it. 03+ Cobra is plagued in the similiar regards as well.
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### Author:  [@1stgen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1stgen)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/62 "2008-01-29T05:27:10Z")
> [@timmay](#):
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> > [@1stgen](#):
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> > It was that spice cosworth we were talking about when we had the arguement.
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> Since you hang out a lot of local tracks you may have met my friend, does Bill E. or LFR Racing sound familiar to you? He doesn’t race a lot up in this area, but he has so it is possible.
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> Certainly no hard feelings from the past, I’m not proud of a lot of things I did when I was living a self-destructive lifestyle, but it has helped frame the person I am today so I suppose it can’t all be bad.
Totally cool- no harm, no foul. I don’t think i’ve ever met your friend. I do mostly time trials with corvettes of mass.(COMSCC) which sould actually be called miatas of mass. because of how many spec miata guys there are, and patroon bmwcca. So unless he runs with either of those groups or goes to the grand am races at lime rock i probably haven’t met him. Jesse might know him though.
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### Author:  [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/63 "2008-01-29T08:11:45Z")
> [@timmay](#):
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> > [@plaf713](#):
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> > my theory is that, you engine only as good, or is going to make a lot of power, by how fat your wallet is, the only thing that makes a motor is money
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> That’s true to a certain extent, however $5k on your Camaro would go much further in terms of gains then $5k would on my S2000. Its also impossible to ignore that some cars are just more rewarding to drive then others, and various drivers judge that on different standards.
very true, but im sure if you put 5k in suspension you would see greater benefits then i would, its all relative to what you want to do with your car
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### Author:  [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/64 "2008-01-29T10:30:38Z")
well doesnt the honda handle much better from the start? and theres plenty of good suspension upgrades for honda’s
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### Author:  [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/65 "2008-01-29T10:50:20Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#):
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> thats only cuz its a honda and honda puts alot of research into their suspension so they handle pretty baller right out of the box
:confused
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### Author:  [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/66 "2008-01-29T10:51:53Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#):
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> thats only cuz its a honda and honda puts alot of research into their suspension so they handle pretty baller right out of the box but 5k in a z28 would make it quick to say the least
:werd and $5k won’t quite get me FI, so with that money I could do a header, exhaust, intake, hondata ecu reflash, throttle body and gears and gain about 4 peak horsepower, maybe 17 over stock around 4k RPMs and only be marginally quicker due to gears, which have a huge down side as well.
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/67 "2008-01-29T11:00:53Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#):
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> > [@1.8tV-Dub](#):
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> > thats only cuz its a honda and honda puts alot of research into their suspension so they handle pretty baller right out of the box
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> :confused
my sentiments exactly…
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### Author:  [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/68 "2008-01-29T11:18:12Z")
> [@timmay](#):
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> it appears I am one of the few, if not the only member who has owned both VW and Honda.
I have not owned either but I have worked on just about everything at one time or another… I just love cars in general and try not to get into whats better than what. Everything was engineered for a purpose and the company must have been satisfied if it made it to production… at least I hope :confused
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> For the most part, domestic mods are **much** cheaper than imports. Our prices are completely jacked up. If I owned a domestic (Yea right), I basically could order the entire car out of Jegs. Nothing wrong with that but you don’t have, on average, prices like we do: ie. AEM for $2K+, catback = $1K, injectors = $500+, etc…
Extremely oversimplified… You couldnt get a LS1 out of the 13s with the small amout of gimmick parts sold in jegs. Most of those parts are for old school, carburated muscle cars. $800 for a stock ZO6 manifold is serious dough. On the other side. get a 200 shot of giggly gas and have the car tuned for it and you would be knoking on 10s door with a near stock car. Its all in how you look at it. My cousins EG hatch went 11.8 with less than 10k overall investment.
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/69 "2008-01-29T11:49:58Z")
> [@Johawk](#):
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> On the other side. get a 200 shot of giggly gas and have the car tuned for it and you would be knoking on 10s door with a near stock car.
Yeah giggly gas FTW. :nod
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/70 "2008-01-29T12:52:03Z")
> [@Johawk](#):
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> Extremely oversimplified… You couldnt get a LS1 out of the 13s with the small amout of gimmick parts sold in jegs. Most of those parts are for old school, carburated muscle cars. $800 for a stock ZO6 manifold is serious dough. On the other side. get a 200 shot of giggly gas and have the car tuned for it and you would be knoking on 10s door with a near stock car. Its all in how you look at it. My cousins EG hatch went 11.8 with less than 10k overall investment.
You can’t? Considering there have been reports of 12.99999999999999999 on a bone stock one, I am sure a nice pair of tires and some good driving would do the trick. Want me to look up Jegs and find 2-3 boltons that would do the trick?
The statement is a generalization but I believe an accurate one: Domestics just don’t have the expensive aftermarket as some of the Imports. I’m happy for them. I have the complete opposite in terms of aftermarket so maybe I am a bit more bias. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/71 "2008-01-29T12:52:30Z")
> [@K-20power](#):
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> > [@Johawk](#):
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> > On the other side. get a 200 shot of giggly gas and have the car tuned for it and you would be knoking on 10s door with a near stock car.
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> Yeah giggly gas FTW. :nod
N20 sucks.
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### Author:  [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/72 "2008-01-29T18:27:19Z")
shawn96vr6 is def right, it is a way cheaper aftermarket for domestics, think about it from the stand point of jegs or summitracing, if you own a mustang or camaro, chances are you are buying aftermarket parts, a lot of people with hondas and other such vehicles are not into making there cars fast but just to make it to work. Its all about what will sell the most, ya know?
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/73 "2008-01-29T18:31:38Z")
VR- **4**. I ain’t not friggin VW. 😃
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### Author:  [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/74 "2008-01-29T20:53:38Z")
lol, whoops
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### Author:  [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/75 "2008-01-29T23:03:03Z")
depends on how you look at import modding vs. domestic…
I cant explain to tell you how many turbo kits I have seen for hondas,dsm’s and VW’s for under 2 grand brand new for a full kit…where as a Turbo kit for a C6 will run you 8 grand or 6 grand for a ls1 turbo kit
seen cat backs for camaros, mustangs and vettes for over a grand brand new. Vera Ram intake for a Z06 runs nearly $800.Headers, $1600…and have seen them as cheap as $600…depends on what type of product you want, and your goals.
a camaro or a mustang are much like a civic in the modding world. TONS of parts are universal and they have been around since the 60’s. Parts are out there for cheap…but cheap doesnt always mean the best.
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [January 30, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/76 "2008-01-30T04:22:46Z")
> [@Boostin Camaro](#):
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> depends on how you look at import modding vs. domestic…
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> I cant explain to tell you how many turbo kits I have seen for hondas,dsm’s and VW’s for under 2 grand brand new for a full kit…where as a Turbo kit for a C6 will run you 8 grand or 6 grand for a ls1 turbo kit
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> seen cat backs for camaros, mustangs and vettes for over a grand brand new. Vera Ram intake for a Z06 runs nearly $800.Headers, $1600…and have seen them as cheap as $600…depends on what type of product you want, and your goals.
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> a camaro or a mustang are much like a civic in the modding world. TONS of parts are universal and they have been around since the 60’s. Parts are out there for cheap…but cheap doesnt always mean the best.
you know how much the Eurosport Twin Screw Kit is for an e36 m3?
$11,500.
seriously.
The HorsePowerFreaks E46 M3 Turbo kit is $15k not including installation.
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [January 30, 2008, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/77 "2008-01-30T05:18:16Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#):
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> > [@Boostin Camaro](#):
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> > depends on how you look at import modding vs. domestic…
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> > I cant explain to tell you how many turbo kits I have seen for hondas,dsm’s and VW’s for under 2 grand brand new for a full kit…where as a Turbo kit for a C6 will run you 8 grand or 6 grand for a ls1 turbo kit
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> > seen cat backs for camaros, mustangs and vettes for over a grand brand new. Vera Ram intake for a Z06 runs nearly $800.Headers, $1600…and have seen them as cheap as $600…depends on what type of product you want, and your goals.
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> > a camaro or a mustang are much like a civic in the modding world. TONS of parts are universal and they have been around since the 60’s. Parts are out there for cheap…but cheap doesnt always mean the best.
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> you know how much the Eurosport Twin Screw Kit is for an e36 m3?
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> $11,500.
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> seriously.
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> The HorsePowerFreaks E46 M3 Turbo kit is $15k not including installation.
Who said we care about the e36 twin screw kit and how much it’s over priced parts cost :tong
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### Author:  [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)
#### Post date: [January 30, 2008, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/78 "2008-01-30T05:30:25Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#):
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> > [@Boostin Camaro](#):
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> > depends on how you look at import modding vs. domestic…
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> > I cant explain to tell you how many turbo kits I have seen for hondas,dsm’s and VW’s for under 2 grand brand new for a full kit…where as a Turbo kit for a C6 will run you 8 grand or 6 grand for a ls1 turbo kit
> >
> > seen cat backs for camaros, mustangs and vettes for over a grand brand new. Vera Ram intake for a Z06 runs nearly $800.Headers, $1600…and have seen them as cheap as $600…depends on what type of product you want, and your goals.
> >
> > a camaro or a mustang are much like a civic in the modding world. TONS of parts are universal and they have been around since the 60’s. Parts are out there for cheap…but cheap doesnt always mean the best.
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> you know how much the Eurosport Twin Screw Kit is for an e36 m3?
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> $11,500.
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> seriously.
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> The HorsePowerFreaks E46 M3 Turbo kit is $15k not including installation.
Those are two higher end cars, a corvette and an m3, of course they are going to be expensive to modify. They cant really be compared to the 20-30,000 price tag on a brand new honda/acura or a vw
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### Author:  [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)
#### Post date: [January 30, 2008, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/79 "2008-01-30T06:03:30Z")
everyone stfu… K20\>\*
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [January 30, 2008, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/k20-vs-vw/235485/80 "2008-01-30T06:03:41Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#):
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> > [@bennyfizzle](#):
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> > > [@Boostin Camaro](#):
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> > > depends on how you look at import modding vs. domestic…
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> > > I cant explain to tell you how many turbo kits I have seen for hondas,dsm’s and VW’s for under 2 grand brand new for a full kit…where as a Turbo kit for a C6 will run you 8 grand or 6 grand for a ls1 turbo kit
> > >
> > > seen cat backs for camaros, mustangs and vettes for over a grand brand new. Vera Ram intake for a Z06 runs nearly $800.Headers, $1600…and have seen them as cheap as $600…depends on what type of product you want, and your goals.
> > >
> > > a camaro or a mustang are much like a civic in the modding world. TONS of parts are universal and they have been around since the 60’s. Parts are out there for cheap…but cheap doesnt always mean the best.
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> > you know how much the Eurosport Twin Screw Kit is for an e36 m3?
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> > $11,500.
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> > seriously.
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> > The HorsePowerFreaks E46 M3 Turbo kit is $15k not including installation.
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> Those are two higher end cars, a corvette and an m3, of course they are going to be expensive to modify. They cant really be compared to the 20-30,000 price tag on a brand new honda/acura or a vw
you can get an e36 m3 for 7k.
it just hasn;t had THAT big of an aftermarket, it’s still a sizeable aftermarket, but everybody makes the same damn thing and nobody likes to share valuable info (cracking the oem ecu for example) to help others.
buncha greedy bastids
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