# Keller Chevorlet Mailer?
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [March 6, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532 "2008-03-06T05:56:42Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/21 "2008-03-06T08:51:51Z")
> [@ubengineering](#):
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> charlie keller is a fucking asshat, my grandpa bought the same car from another dealer for 2500 more because keller wouldnt look him in the eye or even shake his hand, fuck him and his fucking family when his truck drove by my delta sonic i threw a piece of ice at it didnt break anything though, if he fucking died i would not care i would piss all over his grave and rip that fuckin gotee off his face, fuck him and his prizes
was this before of after you rubbed vagina? jesus, this is the most retarded thing iv ever heard. im almost tempted to call someone and get your ass fired just for the fact of complete stupidity.
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### Author:  [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/22 "2008-03-06T08:52:45Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> I had a Hillary custom title because JoesTypeS gave it to me as a joke. Being a good sport I left it there for a long time, way longer than I think anyone expected me to.
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> And I think the title would be fitting for you because based on your posts you’ll never make it as an engineer in the traditional sense, so looking for fake title engineering jobs is pretty much your only shot.
i dont understand?? if you have a good GPA and have background experience what would be causing me not to make it as an engineer?
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/23 "2008-03-06T08:52:53Z")
> [@Silver](#):
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> Check to see if it says “No purchase necessary.” If it does NOT say that, then there’s your catch.
I’m sure the official rules that he can only view at the dealership have the “catch” clearly spelled out.
I’m wondering about the legality of the mailer for not including the rules on it though.
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### Author:  [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/24 "2008-03-06T08:53:26Z")
> [@bobbyg1243](#):
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> was this before of after you rubbed vagina? jesus, this is the most retarded thing iv ever heard. im almost tempted to call someone and get your ass fired just for the fact of complete stupidity.
im sure if you tried that it would completely not work
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### Author:  [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/25 "2008-03-06T09:07:37Z")
> [@ubengineering](#):
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> im sure if you tried that it would completely not work
you would be surprised the amount of connections i have with higherups still at delta sonic… but knowing you and your posts, you probably didnt throw ice at the car… u just said it cuz ur a pussy, and thats what you do…
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### Author:  [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/26 "2008-03-06T09:18:58Z")
> [@ubengineering](#):
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> im sure if you tried that it would completely not work
Righto.
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### Author:  [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/27 "2008-03-06T09:20:40Z")
> [@walter](#):
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> Every one is a winner… and you can get the $200 computer if you buy a $20,000 car! Sweet!
> [@boxxa](#):
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> Yea. Re-read it and it said to see store for official rules. Kinda waiting to go in and be like “Oh…you only officially win if you buy a car…sorry”
> [@Silver](#):
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> Check to see if it says “No purchase necessary.” If it does NOT say that, then there’s your catch.
remember guys its not legal to do that. tha attorney general would rip his head off if it said you win a prize but you had to buy something. trust me, i’m one of those idiots who sends out those mailers you guys hate that always seem to sell us plenty of cars. especially the “get approved” one’s
sorry guys… they work so we keep using them. alot of times we do it because there’s is some sort of deal attached. ex. there is a 6 month payment waiver from GMAC right now. I’ll post a thread in the advertiser’s section with more details.
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### Author:  [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/28 "2008-03-06T09:51:34Z")
> [@Viper966](#):
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> you would be surprised the amount of connections i have with higherups still at delta sonic… but knowing you and your posts, you probably didnt throw ice at the car… u just said it cuz ur a pussy, and thats what you do…
you’re didn’t you cause that’s, werk on ur gramerr, you should come to my work next time i’m working
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### Author:  [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/29 "2008-03-06T09:53:55Z")
OHNOES!!! did you just threaten to throw ice cubes at his bimmer??? your so totally badass, i want to be you.
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### Author:  [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/30 "2008-03-06T09:58:37Z")
fail x2
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### Author:  [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/31 "2008-03-06T10:10:42Z")
I know a couple people that don’t shake hands due to being a germaphobe.
Or maybe he was sick and decided not to shake an old man’s hand to avoid passing on the illness.
Or maybe it was a sign of disrespect and he didn’t want to deal with your grandpa. I move on, but losing $2,500 on a deal just doesn’t make sense to me.
Either way I wouldn’t have that much hate for a lack of a hand shake.
On the other hand if someone damaged my car on purpose, I would not take that lightly. Nor have I in the past.
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### Author:  [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/32 "2008-03-06T10:12:24Z")
I don’t see people walking away for a chance at 1 million dollars becuase Howey Mandel won’t shake their hand.
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### Author:  [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/33 "2008-03-06T10:18:13Z")
> [@BigRon](#):
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> I know a couple people that don’t shake hands due to being a germaphobe.
> Or maybe he was sick and decided not to shake an old man’s hand to avoid passing on the illness.
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> Or maybe it was a sign of disrespect and he didn’t want to deal with your grandpa. I move on, but losing $2,500 on a deal just doesn’t make sense to me.
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> Either way I wouldn’t have that much hate for a lack of a hand shake.
> On the other hand if someone damaged my car on purpose, I would not take that lightly. Nor have I in the past.
i agree with you, but idk hes old and those things are important to him, and plus all old people have money to waste anyways
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/34 "2008-03-06T10:24:36Z")
I went home for lunch and sure enough I had one of these mailers to, and imagine that, I too am a guaranteed winner of one of the four prizes listed.
Not sure how they can legally get away with this. It says very clearly that I’m guaranteed one of the 4 prizes and there is no fine print on there to explain the catch. I’m assuming the catch is listed on the “full rules” I can see at the dealership but I’m sure if anyone pressed they could get Keller in trouble with the state AG.
I’m debating about dropping an email to WGRZ’s tipline to see if they want to follow up on it.
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### Author:  [@jay940](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jay940)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/35 "2008-03-06T10:28:46Z")
> [@FormulaLS1](#):
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> :lol:
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> What car person throws ice at another car?
haha
seriously, who throws a shoe?
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### Author:  [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/36 "2008-03-06T10:47:11Z")
I’ll bet anything you would win the Vacation.But as stated above you would have to pay for airfare or attend a meeting when down there.Those ‘free’ vacations are around all the time and didn’t cost him 1 penny to do.
I’ve also had ‘dealings’ with him and can verify the some of the above comments.
One of the reasons I don’t have a Z now and that Ken Barrett Chev in Batavia has 3 more sales that keller would’ve had in the last 6 mos.
D
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/37 "2008-03-06T10:52:19Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> I’m sure the official rules that he can only view at the dealership have the “catch” clearly spelled out.
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> I’m wondering about the legality of the mailer for not including the rules on it though.
There is a few loop holes in the thing. They say only 300 prizes a day. I could see them easily saying they have given out all the prizes for that day. I guess I could show up when they open and call them liars on that but there has to be a legality thing with them not putting the full rules on the mailer.
You cant bring someone into your store and tell them, the mailer didnt say everything. Think about it, if you mailed someone and said if you come to my dealership, I will give you 15,000 dollars to put towards a car and when they get there be like, oh you can only use it on a viper.
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### Author:  [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/38 "2008-03-06T11:01:14Z")
> [@misteroman$$$](#):
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> I’ll bet anything you would win the Vacation.But as stated above you would have to pay for airfare or attend a meeting when down there.Those ‘free’ vacations are around all the time and didn’t cost him 1 penny to do.
> I’ve also had ‘dealings’ with him and can verify the some of the above comments.
> One of the reasons I don’t have a Z now and that Ken Barrett Chev in Batavia has 3 more sales that keller would’ve had in the last 6 mos.
> D
Ken Barrett is a nice guy. The company I used to work for does some business with him.
The company I currently work for does as well, but I am not a dealer facing salesmen. Just a creative number crunching analyst.
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### Author:  [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/39 "2008-03-06T11:08:30Z")
> [@BigRon](#):
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> Ken Barrett is a nice guy. The company I used to work for does some business with him.
> The company I currently work for does as well, but I am not a dealer facing salesmen. Just a creative number crunching analyst.
Lets hope he is a nice and HONEST guy is he is the one that promised me zr1 at sticker.him and SM
D
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2008, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/keller-chevorlet-mailer/44532/40 "2008-03-06T11:42:25Z")
I do really wonder on the legally thing on this offer.
- The cover says GUARANTEED WINNER OF 1 OF THE 4 ITEMS
- No star or marking indecating additional terms other than what is printed inside about how they are only giving 300 per day, must be official mailer, must be at the dealer, etc.
- No statement of “No Purchase Nessasary”
1. I am going into the dealer this afternoon and see what I won. If they say I won something but they gave away 300 already for the day, I will be there first thing tomorrow to make sure I get it.
2. If I get there and say I need to buy something and follow the official rules in store, is that legal? From what I know, it isnt because places all over would be giving out free stuff and having people come into their stores to find out there is additional rules.
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