# Lac Magentic **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [July 8, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648 "2013-07-08T20:06:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/1 "2013-07-08T20:06:29Z")
![http://img.src.ca/2013/07/07/635x357/PC_130707_ik999_lac-megantic-mousse_sn635.jpg](http://img.src.ca/2013/07/07/635x357/PC_130707_ik999_lac-megantic-mousse_sn635.jpg) ![http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1229566/thumbs/o-LAC-MEGANTIC-EXPLOSIONS-facebook.jpg](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1229566/thumbs/o-LAC-MEGANTIC-EXPLOSIONS-facebook.jpg) ![http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1357682!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg](http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1357682!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg) Cliff notes: train derails and explodes. significant portion of downtown area of a small Quebec town is destroyed. hospitals set up to receive injured people no one shows up at the hospital red cross advises that there will be no injuries, the people have been vaporized. about 40 are still unaccounted for ---
**Author:** ![k.man](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/k.man/32/5790_2.png) [@k.man](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/k.man)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/2 "2013-07-08T20:10:29Z")
> [@bing"](#): > > red cross advises that there will be no injuries, **the people have been vaporized.** > > about 40 are still unaccounted for seriously, is this real? ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/3 "2013-07-08T20:11:34Z")
Say whattt Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/4 "2013-07-08T20:16:32Z")
Did I hear someone forgot to set the parking brake? ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/5 "2013-07-08T20:57:43Z")
Those are some well built stairs… ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/6 "2013-07-08T21:20:34Z")
> [@k.man](#): > > seriously, is this real? that’s why there are so many people still unaccounted for… there is nothing left to identify them. non cliffs: [http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/09/us-train-narrative-insight-idUSBRE96801Q20130709](http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/09/us-train-narrative-insight-idUSBRE96801Q20130709) ---
**Author:** ![1sik\_bmw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1sik_bmw/32/7341_2.png) [@1sik\_bmw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1sik_bmw)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/7 "2013-07-09T05:50:58Z")
WTF ---
**Author:** ![SaNTi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@SaNTi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SaNTi)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/8 "2013-07-09T06:00:58Z")
Wow… R.I.P ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/9 "2013-07-09T06:22:19Z")
:[ jeez ---
**Author:** ![02NismoSpecV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/0/74df32/32.png) [@02NismoSpecV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/02NismoSpecV)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/10 "2013-07-09T06:25:37Z")
i cant believe there is no fail-safe way to keep the brakes engaged. or perhaps use a separate generator to keep the air brakes working, not the whole locomotive. or turn on the fifth locomotive thats 4 cars away and use that for the brakes. horrible lack of communication here ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/11 "2013-07-09T06:43:00Z")
> [@bing](#): > > that’s why there are so many people still unaccounted for… there is nothing left to identify them. > > non cliffs: [http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/09/us-train-narrative-insight-idUSBRE96801Q20130709](http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/09/us-train-narrative-insight-idUSBRE96801Q20130709) This read is incredible. Someone totally dropped the ball here after the initial fire, but then again who knows what caused the fuel leak to begin with. And it’s too bad Denzel Washington wasn’t there to save the day: **“Where’s the train man?! You better go stop it!”** **“Sheeeeeeaaaaaaaiiiiiitttttt!”** ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/12 "2013-07-09T06:55:04Z")
They really need more stringent laws in Canada. If worker’s safety and training wasn’t so lacking this tragedy could have been prevented. In all seriousness this is sad, RIP. ---
**Author:** ![Oasis24-7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c89c15/32.png) [@Oasis24-7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oasis24-7)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/13 "2013-07-09T07:15:32Z")
If you guys realized the quality of equipment that is on the railroad you would have a better understanding of how things like this happen. ---
**Author:** ![jimmyfloyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmyfloyd/32/3077_2.png) [@jimmyfloyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jimmyfloyd)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/14 "2013-07-09T11:37:44Z")
> [@02NismoSpecV](#): > > i cant believe there is no fail-safe way to keep the brakes engaged. > > or perhaps use a separate generator to keep the air brakes working, not the whole locomotive. > > or turn on the fifth locomotive thats 4 cars away and use that for the brakes. > > horrible lack of communication here > [@ultradriver10000](#): > > They really need more stringent laws in Canada. If worker’s safety and training wasn’t so lacking this tragedy could have been prevented. > > In all seriousness this is sad, RIP. > [@Oasis24-7](#): > > If you guys realized the quality of equipment that is on the railroad you would have a better understanding of how things like this happen. I’m interested to hear more about these comments and what source of information you have regarding the Rail industry? From the Article, it does not sound like Worker Training was an issue, as the worker tied the engine down correctly. It was someone outside the railroad that turned the engine off without knowing the implications. And the equipment failures, as the one that probably caused the fire, could easily happen to a new locomotive, and could have easily happened to the 5th locomotive instead of the first if it was being used. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/15 "2013-07-09T11:46:06Z")
Ultradriver was clearly joaking. ---
**Author:** ![02NismoSpecV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/0/74df32/32.png) [@02NismoSpecV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/02NismoSpecV)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/16 "2013-07-09T11:54:29Z")
> [@jimmyfloyd](#): > > I’m interested to hear more about these comments and what source of information you have regarding the Rail industry? > > From the Article, it does not sound like Worker Training was an issue, as the worker tied the engine down correctly. It was someone outside the railroad that turned the engine off without knowing the implications. > > And the equipment failures, as the one that probably caused the fire, could easily happen to a new locomotive, and could have easily happened to the 5th locomotive instead of the first if it was being used. i was mostly referring to the engineer being nowhere around apparently offering his insight on the situation. like saying, if you shut that off the brakes will lose pressure… lack of communication between the fire department and train operator ---
**Author:** ![jimmyfloyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmyfloyd/32/3077_2.png) [@jimmyfloyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jimmyfloyd)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/17 "2013-07-09T12:14:03Z")
Doing a little reading about air brakes for trains, I’m going to guess that this happened due to a known limitation of the braking system, as well as a lack of Hand Brake applications. The braking system has an emergency brake, that is initiated if a loss of main line pressure happen. You may have encountered this if you are stuck at a crossing with a train that doesn’t move for a long time. One brake hose ruptures, it automatically enables the emergency brake for the train and it automatically stops. The limitation is that this works on the principle that there is a RAPID change in pressure. If the system bleeds down, as it appears to have in this case, this would not have had the rapid loss of pressure necessary to initiate the Emergency brakes. This is where the Hand Brakes come in, as reported in some articles. There should be a sufficient number of Hand Brakes enabled on the train so that it will not move should the air brakes fail. The number used in this case is currently unknown, and is likely the cause of it not staying in place. Reading: > **[Railway air brake](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_air_brake)** > > A railway air brake is a railway brake power braking system with compressed air as the operating medium. Modern trains rely upon a fail-safe air brake system that is based upon a design patented by George Westinghouse on March 5, 1868. The Westinghouse Air Brake Company was subsequently organized to manufacture and sell Westinghouse's invention. In various forms, it has been nearly universally adopted. The Westinghouse system uses air pressure to charge air reservoirs (tanks) on each car. Full ai... [http://www.railway-technical.com/brake2.shtml#BrakeApplication](http://www.railway-technical.com/brake2.shtml#BrakeApplication) [http://www.montrealgazette.com/8635222.bin](http://www.montrealgazette.com/8635222.bin) [http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Mégantic+What+causes+runaway+train/8631894/story.html](http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/M%C3%A9gantic+What+causes+runaway+train/8631894/story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/18 "2013-07-09T12:20:20Z")
Oasis knows his trains…lol ---
**Author:** ![jimmyfloyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmyfloyd/32/3077_2.png) [@jimmyfloyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jimmyfloyd)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/19 "2013-07-09T12:29:03Z")
This is pretty neat [http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=81581](http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=81581) ![http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/81000/81581/lacmegantic_vir_2013185_187.jpg](http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/81000/81581/lacmegantic_vir_2013185_187.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![GV1390](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gv1390/32/5432_2.png) [@GV1390](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GV1390)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648/20 "2013-07-09T12:29:29Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Oasis knows his trains…lol Sure does, lol. How did a few weeks ago work out for you? :lol: [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lac-magentic/231648.md?page=2)