# Latest Erie County Budget Proposal **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [October 2, 2009, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336 "2009-10-02T10:50:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/1 "2009-10-02T10:50:24Z")
[http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/814985.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/814985.html) [http://wwww.erie.gov/exec/?office-of-budget.html](http://wwww.erie.gov/exec/?office-of-budget.html) I like this a lot. Way to go, Chris. Keep cutting and streamlining government. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/2 "2009-10-02T10:58:08Z")
For the most part, :tup: However, I don’t like this. In a briefing Thursday, Collins told The Buffalo News he will turn over four clinical services to the Sheehan Health Network of Buffalo — meaning potential layoffs for some 45 Health Department employees who provide primary care, dental care, podiatry and women’s health care at county-run clinics. He said Sheehan already provides those services and will welcome the county’s clients. He also will assure the Legislature that the government will work to find another provider for any client reluctant to switch to the Sheehan network. In addition, Collins said his budget ends county government’s role in the day care registration program, which helps the working poor obtain child care services. The state Office of Children and Family Services will be asked to find a new contractor for the program in Erie County. Budget Director Gregory G. Gach said it means the elimination of 13 jobs. The salaries of those more than 50 employees were covered primarily by state or federal aid and not local taxpayers alone. He’s putting these people out of work and cutting the number of options the people who rely on them for care have, when the county doesn’t even have to pay their salaries, they’re covered by state and federal aid. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/3 "2009-10-02T11:02:44Z")
This is why we elected him. If Rudy doesn’t step up I see Collins making a run for the governor’s office. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/4 "2009-10-02T11:03:04Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > For the most part, :tup: > However, I don’t like this. > In a briefing Thursday, Collins told The Buffalo News he will turn over four clinical services to the Sheehan Health Network of Buffalo — meaning potential layoffs for some 45 Health Department employees who provide primary care, dental care, podiatry and women’s health care at county-run clinics. > > He said Sheehan already provides those services and will welcome the county’s clients. He also will assure the Legislature that the government will work to find another provider for any client reluctant to switch to the Sheehan network. > > In addition, Collins said his budget ends county government’s role in the day care registration program, which helps the working poor obtain child care services. The state Office of Children and Family Services will be asked to find a new contractor for the program in Erie County. Budget Director Gregory G. Gach said it means the elimination of 13 jobs. > > The salaries of those more than 50 employees were covered primarily by state or federal aid and not local taxpayers alone. > > He’s putting these people out of work and cutting the number of options the people who rely on them for care have, when the county doesn’t even have to pay their salaries, they’re covered by _ **state** _ and federal aid. Newsflash, Erie county is part of NY State. Money saved by the state still helps Erie county and thus us out. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/5 "2009-10-02T11:05:01Z")
There is no money saved by the state. The state is just giving it to someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/6 "2009-10-02T11:05:59Z")
Joe, I see the cutting of superfluous jobs a good thing. He said the county will find a provider for those that may be put out by the move. My opinion is that what can be done better and more efficiently by the private sector should be handed over to the private sector. There are too many overlapping providers in this area. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/7 "2009-10-02T11:06:52Z")
And the money that will be saved is the legacy costs of those employees. Even though their salaries arent payed directly by the county, their retirement and benefits are. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/8 "2009-10-02T11:09:07Z")
The way I’m reading it their salaries were paid by the state but their retiree health care was covered by Erie County. As usual, you cut off the part of the quote that didn’t help your argument. > The salaries of those more than 50 employees were covered primarily by state or federal aid and not local taxpayers alone. (_convenient joe stopped quoting here_) **But Collins says he wants to streamline county government, support non-profits when possible and lessen Erie County’s legacy costs for retiree health care, now forecast at around $890 million.** _oh hi there missing important information_ ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/9 "2009-10-02T11:12:08Z")
I just don’t like putting 50 more people on unemployment/welfare in this economic climate, in the 3rd poorest city in the nation, when it doesn’t even save the county any money for some time to come and nobody can find a job. Maybe once things get back to normal, but legacy health care costs for current employees aren’t going to be paid now. I doubt the private providers will hire anyone additional to accomodate the new patients, or if they do it certainly won’t be 50 people, they’ll just overwork their current employees cause that’s what the private sector does these days, and quality of care will suffer. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/10 "2009-10-02T11:13:52Z")
Yeah, lets keep govt employees employed and raise taxes.:banghead: I guess we could all just work for the govt and there would be no unemployed. Great logic. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/11 "2009-10-02T11:14:54Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I just don’t like putting 50 more people on unemployment/welfare in this economic climate, in the 3rd poorest city in the nation, when it doesn’t even save the county any money for some time to come and nobody can find a job. Maybe once things get back to normal, but legacy health care costs for current employees aren’t going to be paid now. I doubt the private providers will hire anyone additional to accomodate the new patients, or if they do it certainly won’t be 50 people, they’ll just overwork their current employees cause that’s what the private sector does these days, and quality of care will suffer. That’s called operating like a normal business that has to stay in the black because they can’t just tax their “customers” for more money to stay afloat because they keep operating in the red. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/12 "2009-10-02T11:16:28Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Yeah, lets keep govt employees employed and raise taxes.:banghead: Can you read? This did not save the county any money for many years, until the people retire. The state is paying a private corporation instead of the county. It doesn’t save them anything. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/13 "2009-10-02T11:17:25Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Yeah, lets keep govt employees employed and raise taxes.:banghead: > > I guess we could all just work for the govt and there would be no unemployed. Great logic. I guess we could all live in France… :io: ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/14 "2009-10-02T11:17:56Z")
^^You just contradicted yourself in one post. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/15 "2009-10-02T11:18:32Z")
JUAT ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/16 "2009-10-02T11:19:11Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Can you read? This did not save the county any money for many years, until the people retire. The state is paying a private corporation instead of the county. It doesn’t save them anything. Well I guess anything that only saves money down the road should be ignored. Seriously man, you’re in hole with your logic in this thread. The first step to getting out is to stop digging. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/17 "2009-10-02T11:20:02Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > This did not save the county any money for many years, until the people retire. so it’s like the stimulus? How can you sit here and argue that it doesn’t save money until later down the road, but use the exact opposite argument for healthcare that won’t save anything to down the road…allegedly? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/18 "2009-10-02T11:20:09Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Well I guess anything that only saves money down the road should be ignored. > > Seriously man, you’re in hole with your logic in this thread. The first step to getting out is to stop digging. Not ignored. Put off until 10% of the damn country and way more of Western New York isn’t unemployed and they have a fighting chance at finding jobs, instead of living off the state and COSTING more money. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/19 "2009-10-02T11:22:50Z")
No, it’s time government was run like a business. Businesses across the country are making cuts and becoming more efficient to survive and government should be doing the same thing. You don’t keep unnecessary positions around because you’ve turned government jobs into government welfare. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336/20 "2009-10-02T11:24:53Z")
Every time businesses cut jobs, they dump the burden onto the government, in the form of unemployment and welfare. So businesses may become “more efficient” but they just made your taxes go up. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/latest-erie-county-budget-proposal/74336.md?page=2)