### Author:  [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/61 "2009-06-18T20:05:43Z")
> [@worth the watch](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/worth-the-watch/19591/6):
>
> So you’ll race from a launch now? no problem? \*\*Genius
ask anyone on this site that I have raced with. I will agree to do digs I just prefer rolls. I have all supporting suspension parts on my car for digs besides the right tires yet.
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### Author:  [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/62 "2009-06-18T20:06:44Z")
why do you always complain about your rear end then?
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### Author:  [@Z28LT1Rocket](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Z28LT1Rocket)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/63 "2009-06-18T20:25:28Z")
> [@951 winter progress](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/951-winter-progress/19571/17):
>
> why do you always complain about your rear end then?
GM 10 bolt and more than 400hp wheel… and if he ever does hook = disaster even non GM owners know that!🥷ohnoes
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### Author:  [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/64 "2009-06-18T20:30:50Z")
> [@Happy Birth NotJustATrophyBitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/happy-birth-notjustatrophybitch/19594/4):
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> GM 10 bolt and more than 400hp wheel… and if he ever does hook = disaster even non GM owners know that!🥷ohnoes
So he should upgrade that then, CORRECT? Like I said… doesn’t do shit about supporting mods. You need certain things to support the other, whats the sense of having a 400whp+ if you can’t use it?
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### Author:  [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/65 "2009-06-18T20:31:57Z")
> [@witnessed camaro\>black turbo integra](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/witnessed-camaro-black-turbo-integra/19514/54):
>
> my uncle has my grandfathers old hand me down 93 GMC 1500. Has the 5.3 Vortec…346k on it…bone stock motor, bone stock tranny…still runs strong every day and has been a work truck all its life.
Dude. Every single one of us has said that the TRUCKS are NOT the issue. It’s the CARS that people like ME have problems with.
How many times do I gotta repeat myself? Is that the only crutch you have to lean on when talking about domestics? Trucks? We get it. They are good.
If only the cars were as good as the trucks, then this wouldn’t be a thread.
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/66 "2009-06-18T20:34:29Z")
> [@FS: Atari 2600](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-atari-2600/17454/6):
>
> So he should upgrade that then, CORRECT? Like I said… doesn’t do shit about supporting mods. You need certain things to support the other, whats the sense of having a 400whp+ if you can’t use it?
I have to agree, even though tough rear-ends for those cars cost some serious coin.
But to support the “supporting mods” thing, when I originally built my car in '07 I bought a set of DSS axles that will handle 500-600whp+ when I only make just over 200whp, spent the extra cash because I didn’t want to be one of those guys replacing Autozone axles when I want to run slicks and pound on my car.
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### Author:  [@Z28LT1Rocket](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Z28LT1Rocket)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/67 "2009-06-18T20:35:51Z")
> [@It's like some nightmare come true (v. Barker)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-like-some-nightmare-come-true-v-barker/19576/9):
>
> Dude. Every single one of us has said that the TRUCKS are NOT the issue. It’s the CARS that people like ME have problems with.
>
> How many times do I gotta repeat myself? Is that the only crutch you have to lean on when talking about domestics? Trucks? We get it. They are good.
>
> If only the cars were as good as the trucks, then this wouldn’t be a thread.
that seems to be the thing… “trucks” but I dont quite get it. its still domestic crap and if trucks last that long, why woudnt the sedans.:ponder makes no sense, a gm, is a gm, is a gm and same with fords too.
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### Author:  [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/68 "2009-06-18T20:52:50Z")
ok degenerate
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### Author:  [@Z28LT1Rocket](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Z28LT1Rocket)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/69 "2009-06-18T21:12:24Z")
> [@Real Vista Release Date](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/real-vista-release-date/19600/3):
>
> ok degenerate
hold on Im looking this up in a dictionary!:shifty:hug
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### Author:  [@Z28LT1Rocket](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Z28LT1Rocket)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/70 "2009-06-18T21:15:16Z")
Main Entry: 1de·gen·er·ate [](http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?degene02.wav=degenerate') Pronunciation: \di-ˈjen-rət, -ˈje-nə-, dē-\ Function: _adjective_ Etymology: Middle English _degenerat,_ from Latin _degeneratus,_ past participle of _degenerare_ to degenerate, from _de-_ + _gener-, genus_ race, kind — more at [kin](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kin) Date: 15th century 1 a **:** having declined or become less specialized (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state b **:** having sunk to a condition below that which is normal to a type ; _especially_ **:** having sunk to a lower and usually corrupt and vicious state c **:** [degraded](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/degraded) 22 **:** being mathematically simpler (as by having a factor or constant equal to zero) than the typical case \4 **:** having two or more states or subdivisions \<_degenerate_ energy level\>5 **:** having more than one codon representing an amino acid ; _also_ **:** being such a codon **synonyms** see [vicious](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vicious)
— de·gen·er·ate·ly _adverb_
— de·gen·er·ate·ness _noun_
how does this describe me…
it just means simple, or without excess or mathmatically stripped down to its basic form?
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### Author:  [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/71 "2009-06-19T05:05:46Z")
> [@witnessed camaro\>black turbo integra](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/witnessed-camaro-black-turbo-integra/19514/54):
>
> my uncle has my grandfathers old hand me down 93 GMC 1500. Has the 5.3 Vortec…346k on it…bone stock motor, bone stock tranny…still runs strong every day and has been a work truck all its life.
That would be a 5.7 (350).
5.3 didnt come out until '99.
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/72 "2009-06-19T05:09:15Z")
> [@FS: Car part Garage Sale and full LS/VTEC SWAP w/ xtras!!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-car-part-garage-sale-and-full-ls-vtec-swap-w-xtras/18854/24):
>
> Main Entry: 1de·gen·er·ate Pronunciation: \di-ˈjen-rət, -ˈje-nə-, dē-\ Function: _adjective_ Etymology: Middle English _degenerat,_ from Latin _degeneratus,_ past participle of _degenerare_ to degenerate, from _de-_ + _gener-, genus_ race, kind — more at [kin](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kin) Date: 15th century 1 a **:** having declined or become less specialized (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state b **:** **having sunk to a condition below that which is normal to a type** ; _especially_ **:** having sunk to a lower and usually corrupt and vicious state c **:** [degraded](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/degraded) 22 **:** being mathematically simpler (as by having a factor or constant equal to zero) than the typical case \4 **:** having two or more states or subdivisions \<_degenerate_ energy level\>5 **:** having more than one codon representing an amino acid ; _also_ **:** being such a codon **synonyms** see [vicious](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vicious)
>
> — de·gen·er·ate·ly _adverb_
> — de·gen·er·ate·ness _noun_
>
> how does this describe me…
>
> it just means simple, or without excess or mathmatically stripped down to its basic form?
Your and idiot.
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### Author:  [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/73 "2009-06-19T05:09:23Z")
> [@951 winter progress](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/951-winter-progress/19571/17):
>
> why do you always complain about your rear end then?
because its the weakest link in my car and its expensive to replace with a aftermarket one…
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### Author:  [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/74 "2009-06-19T05:12:01Z")
> [@FS: Atari 2600](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-atari-2600/17454/6):
>
> So he should upgrade that then, CORRECT? Like I said… doesn’t do shit about supporting mods. You need certain things to support the other, whats the sense of having a 400whp+ if you can’t use it?
want to hand me 3k to get a rear end??
I use all 400+rwhp.
I have ALL supporting mods besides the rear end, and give me time and I will have that too. You seem to forget that I have owned this car for less then a year and already have a shit load of money into it, living on my own etc…I have bills. Im 22 not 42 with a stable life yet. Back the fuck up.
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### Author:  [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/75 "2009-06-19T06:02:08Z")
> [@Thoughts on winter car...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/thoughts-on-winter-car/19603/25):
>
> That would be a 5.7 (350).
>
> 5.3 didnt come out until '99.
5.7 or the 4.3 vortec V6.
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### Author:  [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/76 "2009-06-19T06:27:32Z")
> [@FS: 95 Ford Mustang $2k](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-95-ford-mustang-2k/18975/20):
>
> want to hand me 3k to get a rear end??
>
> I use all 400+rwhp.
>
> I have ALL supporting mods besides the rear end, and give me time and I will have that too. You seem to forget that I have owned this car for less then a year and already have a shit load of money into it, living on my own etc…I have bills. Im 22 not 42 with a stable life yet. Back the fuck up.
Fuckin relax, you get so worked up its hillarious.
Basicly were saying.
A) You dont know how to launch your car you admit that
B) You complain about launching breaking your rear end
C) Instead of learning to drive with the power you had stock you…
D) Put more money into your car for more power that you obviously don’t know how to handle instead of…
E) Putting a solid rear end in your car, learning how to drive it and progressing from there
Pretty much your working ass backwards… You put money in your car because you want a fast car, most people aroun dhere dont give a fuck about rolls because pretty much anyone can mash the gas and slam gears at 30-40-60+ starting off…
You obviously well at least used to brag about getting numbers at the track and etc… you obviously want numbers to prove your car is fast…
You can get away the drag radials… but if you ever want to use slicks on your car your going to need that rear end because youll probably break it on slicks.
You pretty much worked yourself ass backwards in learning how to drive a performance car…
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### Author:  [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/77 "2009-06-19T06:29:22Z")
someone split and move to trash…
Oh and imports rule the market in terms of reliability
/thread
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/78 "2009-06-19T07:41:08Z")
There are like three threads going on about the same shit.
American cars suck, its the truth.
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### Author:  [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/79 "2009-06-19T07:41:56Z")
Unlock 1 to watch Smokin get all worked up into a tizzy.
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### Author:  [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/80 "2009-06-19T07:42:10Z")
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