# let the debate begin... **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 18, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866 "2009-06-18T13:45:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 6
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866/6 "2009-06-18T14:16:30Z")
How this all started for those who aren’t following: **I said in the SHO thread that I would rather have an M45 for that $45k price tag because it’s nicer, hast he same power, and comes with an ultra reliable Nissan engine.** > [@So who thinks the placement of this intercooler....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-who-thinks-the-placement-of-this-intercooler/19563/11): > > [Quote=Ilya]Guess you want to keep the debate going. I oblige. > > 1. I have 190hp and for a daily driver and normal person, 190 is MORE than enough. > 2. It’s fail because they are over charging by a LOT for a product that you can get from elsewhere for the same price that has a HISTORY of being good. Brand recognition goes a long way in times like this. Take a marketing class at HVCC. You’ll see what I’m talking about. If this car was going for 25k, it wouldn’t be a fail. But that fact that it is 45k is absurd. > 3. Again, did you read my posts? I am a fan of CARS. I gave the Z06 credit. I gave all American trucks credit. Because Europe and Japan put out like 60 great cars combined, and America doesn’t put out more than 6 or 7 (currently speaking - last few years), and me stating that…does NOT make me an import fan boy. It’s just how it is. You are the fan boy because you are too blind to realize it and can only say that, > > “Well…well…some of us don’t want quality! We just want power! There! Take that!” > > Give it a rest. Generally speaking…(I’m sure American cars have some pro’s over others such as raw power but generally speaking)…Non-American cars \> American cars. End of story. since when is 190hp MORE then enough power?? Its not. Their is never enough power until its enough to make your butthole pucker and your scared shitless. Thats when you reach your braking point, so are you saying 190hp makes your butthole pucker?? This is complete bullshit. America makes 6-7 good cars?? Maybe in your eyes, not in mine. This debate could go on forever, your a import lover, and im a domestic lover, however I give imports credit, where credit is due and both imports and domestics have their advantages and disadvantages but so say they only make a few good cars is obscured. When you driving down the street’s during the day, what do you mostly see? Jeeps? Cavaliers? Cobalts? F-150’s? Silverado’s? Ya, I guess you must be blind enough to notice that all these make up half the traffic on the streets, and the other half is imports, such as civics,altima’s, corrola’s and such.[/QUOTE] 1. I said 190hp for a NORMAL person who ISN’T a power hungry enthusiast is MORE than enough. I can pass who I need to pass with ease. I can get up every major road that goes up a hill, etc. For a daily driven car with a normal citizen (again, not a power hungry one), 190hp is more than enough to get the job done. 2. “This debate could go on forever, your a import lover, and im a domestic lover, however I give imports credit, where credit is due and both imports and domestics have their advantages and disadvantages” Is that not what I said in the other thread? “One trick pony” ring a bell? I was referring to the power. That’s the only pro of American cars in my opinion. That and the fact that they are made in the US which means a lower price tag. I gave credit where credit is due. I like all cars, be it American, etc. I remember mentioning the Z06, the Ford Edge, etc. Can you PLEASE stop reading selectively? 1. “When you driving down the street’s during the day, what do you mostly see? Jeeps? Cavaliers? Cobalts? F-150’s? Silverado’s? Ya, I guess you must be blind enough to notice that all these make up half the traffic on the streets, and the other half is imports, such as civics,altima’s, corrola’s and such.” You’re going to call Cavaliers, Escorts, Taurus’s, etc. good cars? You’re shitting me. Honda and Toyota shit all over those cars with the Corolla, Camry, Accord, etc. Also, don’t bring trucks into this conversation since I gave kudos to EVERY TRUCK BUILT IN AMERICA in the other thread. In conclusion, stop reading selectively. **And just to put it out there: I am more than happy to debate/argue with you. Don’t take it the wrong way. I don’t want people on here hating me. At the end of the day, we’re all car fans. That’s all that matters.** --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/let-the-debate-begin/244866)._