# Let's Talk Wideband's - What do you have and/or what do you recommend? **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 4, 2008, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594 "2008-04-04T07:52:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![PoisonousBeef](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poisonousbeef/32/6007_2.png) [@PoisonousBeef](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PoisonousBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/21 "2008-04-07T05:05:32Z")
> [@7:00 PM, Sunday, 9/23/07: My Bubble Tea](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/7-00-pm-sunday-9-23-07-my-bubble-tea/35670/43): > > I don’t want the wideband simply for the gauge. I want it so instead of jumping back and forth between the portable wideband and DSMlink it’ll be hard-wired and anytime I bring up link, I’ll be able to log a true A/F along with all the other essentials. One graph makes things a lot easier. I just like the added security of having the gauge available so I don’t have to cruise around with the laptop constantly, to know if something goes wrong. I think the point is that you only really need a wideband to get your tune done. Running it after that is basically just asking the sensor to fry and potentially piss your money away. If you tune the car right on a wideband, when you go back to a narrow-band sensor it will give you the same readings you would be getting from the wideband anyway. Once your tune is good you shouldn’t be running outside the range that a narrowband can pick up, and if you are it will still tell you that you are way lean or way rich. If you are driving and you get one of those conditions despite your complete tune, why would the more robust information from the wideband make any difference? At that point, something is legitimately fucked up and you don’t need the wideband to tell you what’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Hycomp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Hycomp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hycomp)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/22 "2008-04-07T10:52:54Z")
> [@STEVE(cky89) RAPED!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steve-cky89-raped/35827/16): > > I think the point is that you only really need a wideband to get your tune done. Running it after that is basically just asking the sensor to fry and potentially piss your money away. If you tune the car right on a wideband, when you go back to a narrow-band sensor it will give you the same readings you would be getting from the wideband anyway. > > Once your tune is good you shouldn’t be running outside the range that a narrowband can pick up, and if you are it will still tell you that you are way lean or way rich. If you are driving and you get one of those conditions despite your complete tune, why would the more robust information from the wideband make any difference? At that point, something is legitimately fucked up and you don’t need the wideband to tell you what’s wrong. A narrowband O2 sensor is only good for a very narrow range right around stoich which is not really of any use under any kind of load. Any bossted engine under load better not be seeing an A/F anywhere near stoich or it wil be history. As such, knowing that a boosted motor tuned at say 12.5:1 under load is running at perhaps 13.5:1 could save the motor whereas on a narrowband set-up it would still just be displaying rich while things are on there way to melting. Also, a lot of cars use wideband O2’s as their sensors and as such the sensors are generally pretty cheap and will have similar lifetimes to narrowband o2 sensors, unless of course leaded fuel is being used. ---
**Author:** ![APEXi4g63](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8edcca/32.png) [@APEXi4g63](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/APEXi4g63)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/23 "2008-04-07T18:39:18Z")
> [@New project EF hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-project-ef-hatch/32407/178): > > A narrowband O2 sensor is only good for a very narrow range right around stoich which is not really of any use under any kind of load. Any bossted engine under load better not be seeing an A/F anywhere near stoich or it wil be history. As such, knowing that a boosted motor tuned at say 12.5:1 under load is running at perhaps 13.5:1 could save the motor whereas on a narrowband set-up it would still just be displaying rich while things are on there way to melting. Also, a lot of cars use wideband O2’s as their sensors and as such the sensors are generally pretty cheap and will have similar lifetimes to narrowband o2 sensors, unless of course leaded fuel is being used. Thank You.:bigthumb: ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/24 "2008-04-07T20:55:12Z")
LC-1 logging with DSMlink and I have their gauge on the way. REplacement sensors are 50 bux. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_SINISTER](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sinister/32/5970_2.png) [@imported\_SINISTER](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_SINISTER)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/25 "2008-04-08T05:36:06Z")
i got a innovate lc-1 ill rent it out if you guys need to use it ---
**Author:** ![imported\_SINISTER](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sinister/32/5970_2.png) [@imported\_SINISTER](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_SINISTER)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/26 "2008-04-08T05:36:45Z")
i got the innovate lc-1 ---
**Author:** ![spoolinsteve](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spoolinsteve/32/6026_2.png) [@spoolinsteve](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/spoolinsteve)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/27 "2008-04-09T21:47:52Z")
PLX ftw x2 ---
**Author:** ![SH0CKER](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@SH0CKER](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SH0CKER)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/28 "2008-04-10T00:47:07Z")
> [@FS: 93 turbo delsol](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-93-turbo-delsol/35340/53): > > PLX FTW Agree I have the 300R…love it ---
**Author:** ![APEXi4g63](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8edcca/32.png) [@APEXi4g63](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/APEXi4g63)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594/29 "2008-04-10T08:19:38Z")
> [@9/23 F-body Meet/Cruise](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/9-23-f-body-meet-cruise/35518/68): > > LC-1 logging with DSMlink and I have their gauge on the way. > > REplacement sensors are 50 bux. I was actually thinkin about that before I read your post. I can always just run the LC-1 for logging and buy the gauge later when money allows… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lets-talk-widebands-what-do-you-have-and-or-what-do-you-recommend/196594.md?page=1)