# LOL v.The Bailout **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 17, 2008, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881 "2008-12-17T06:35:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/21 "2008-12-17T10:24:35Z")
I just searched auto trader for big 3 - manual - awd. Over 3 million listings came up with 0 results.:gotme: How many models do they offer, 10000?:lol: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/22 "2008-12-17T10:28:29Z")
how many people really want to buy a manual awd car? that is a niche market to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/23 "2008-12-17T10:29:53Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > Until OPEC cuts production by 2mm bpd in a couple weeks they did it today ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/24 "2008-12-17T10:35:24Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I just searched auto trader for big 3 - manual - awd. Over 3 million listings came up with 0 results.:gotme: How many models do they offer, 10000?:lol: SUV, truck or car? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/25 "2008-12-17T10:36:18Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > how many people really want to buy a manual awd car? that is a niche market to say the least. What? Audi has had increased sales unlike the big 3. Maybe they could learn from them. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/26 "2008-12-17T10:36:54Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > SUV, truck or car? car. no like truck/suv. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/27 "2008-12-17T10:41:16Z")
The average driver does not want a manual transmission. The last figure I can find was 6% of U.S. sales were manuals. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/28 "2008-12-17T10:42:16Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > The average driver does not want a manual transmission. The last figure I can find was 6% of U.S. sales were manuals. Well no wonder it was only 6%, that is all they made.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/29 "2008-12-17T10:45:55Z")
You really think the average american wants to do anything for themselves that they can have a machine/computer for them? shame on you. :lol: Even among performance enthusiasts, which are the vast minority, there are still some of us that will never own a manual transmission, like myself. Particularly now that performance benefits are nil to actually negative. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/30 "2008-12-17T10:48:11Z")
^Like the GTR? cough:launchcontrol:cough :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/31 "2008-12-17T10:49:38Z")
manual is more fun ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/32 "2008-12-17T10:51:10Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > car. no like truck/suv. How many times are you going to ask this same question? [http://nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1118556&postcount=111](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1118556&postcount=111) I know you added a manual qualifier this time. Off the bat without any additional research Saab 9-3 Aero and 2.0T 6 speed XWD ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/33 "2008-12-17T10:53:13Z")
^I will keep checking because I want to buy American. It is assumed I would be sacrificing style, I am certainly not comprimising awd/manual. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/34 "2008-12-17T11:16:14Z")
Yeah currently the CTS-4 DI AWD only comes in a 6-speed auto. Hopefully that changes once the CTC is released in the spring. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/35 "2008-12-17T11:18:52Z")
Okay, although this: [http://answers.edmunds.com/question-What-2008-AWD-cars-wagons-hatchbacks-cross-overs-manual-transmissions-495.aspx](http://answers.edmunds.com/question-What-2008-AWD-cars-wagons-hatchbacks-cross-overs-manual-transmissions-495.aspx) says the CTS AWD will have a stick, this: [http://prod3.gmautobuilder.com/BuildYourOwn/Cadillac.byo?year=2009](http://prod3.gmautobuilder.com/BuildYourOwn/Cadillac.byo?year=2009) says you can’t. So boo? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/36 "2008-12-17T11:21:39Z")
I think its either or though. Makes sense though. RWD = performance enthusiasts. AWD = middle aged broads who dont want to slip in the snow. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/37 "2008-12-17T11:58:03Z")
Last year the AWD was only for the smaller V6. I think this year they added the larger engine and my hope is they add manual for next year when the CTC rolls out. ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/38 "2008-12-17T17:53:05Z")
Chrysler shuts down all production. Close of business Friday will be the start of a monthlong closure of 30 U.S. plants. Company cites ‘continued lack of consumer credit.’ ---
**Author:** ![Rovert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rovert/32/7478_2.png) [@Rovert](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rovert)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881/39 "2008-12-19T13:22:53Z")
yeah… i would buy american. but i cant afford an srt-10 or a c6 z06 guess ill stick to my GTI and continue to laugh at SUV’s while my little computer screen says im getting well over 30 mpg [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lol-v-the-bailout/59881.md?page=1)