# Looking for a medium range scope for a .223 / 5.56 AR. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 13, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452 "2011-09-13T06:19:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/1 "2011-09-13T06:19:56Z")
Either 1-4x or 3-9x. I don’t feel like spending over 200 bucks, as I’ve shot with expensive ones and cheap ones and really don’t see an improvement with my shooting. I don’t expect to shoot anything further than 150-200 yards, I’m pretty good (for a n00b) with iron sights at 55-100 yards. Something that lights up would be nice, with some mildots now that I actually figured out when the bullets stop climbing and start dropping. Don’t really see a need for compensation stuff either at that range. I don’t plan on foraging through the forest or going to a mini war zone and getting this thing all banged up, I do plan on killing some zombies or shooting some asshole who decides to try to break into my or my parents house, target shoot for this year, and some very, very light hunting next year. Note : I do plan on getting a handle with iron sights, so this thing is going to sit pretty high. Thank you for your input, if you do give any. I have a feeling NYFirearms guy will be chiming in, and probably Thorpe. lol ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/2 "2011-09-13T06:38:37Z")
200 Yards max and home defense? Find a red dot you like. 200 limit kinds sucks. either spend less than $100 and get like a china truglow or get quality. I would say go with an EOtech 512 or an Aimpoint (personal preference. I have both) to be honest. You always have the option to add the magnifier after as well on both brands. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/3 "2011-09-13T06:41:51Z")
Scope+home defense really don’t belong in the same sentence. If you need a scope to shoot an intruder you’re going to jail when all is said and done, especially in NY. Get yourself a little laser sight if you plan on using it for home defense. That little red dot projected on center mass is a real good motivator to do as you’re being told. Plus a scope is horrible for low light, short range quick target acquisition, the exact things you’d encounter in a home defense situation. Sounds like you’re wanting one gun to do too much. ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/4 "2011-09-13T07:22:44Z")
Iron sights = close range, and I have a laser already, sighted in at 25 feet. Sits nice and close to the barrel so it doesn’t deviate too much at 10 feet or at 50. I need zoom… ---
**Author:** ![KuntryQuestTSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kuntryquesttsi/32/5010_2.png) [@KuntryQuestTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KuntryQuestTSi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/5 "2011-09-13T09:18:49Z")
Get a redfeild scope. ---
**Author:** ![throwthestick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@throwthestick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/throwthestick)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/6 "2011-09-13T22:25:10Z")
tons of what you are looking for in the sportsmansguide. ---
**Author:** ![gt08vapor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/22d042/32.png) [@gt08vapor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/gt08vapor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/7 "2011-09-14T10:39:00Z")
iron sight are good for well over 300 yards. If you got the cash, go with an aimpoint. If not get a cheap one off of ebay. ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/8 "2011-09-14T11:16:40Z")
> [@gt08vapor](#): > > iron sight are good for well over 300 yards. If you got the cash, go with an aimpoint. If not get a cheap one off of ebay. Aimpoint and EOtech are both really personal preference but I think a red dot is really the way to go. You can shoot accurately and easily out to 200 yards. If you want zoom. Both offer a magnifier option as well. When are you in buffalo next? You can stop buy and play with both. The Aimpoint is great when you can forward mount it like on my Colt monolithic upper but on my regular flat top I’d choose an EOtech because of the very open sights. PS … MBUIS (manual back up iron sights) are supposed to be zeroed at 50 meters not 25 feet 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gt08vapor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/22d042/32.png) [@gt08vapor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/gt08vapor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/9 "2011-09-14T16:10:32Z")
Zero on the M16 is set at 36 meters, not 50. When ever sighting it in, You must shoot at least 27 yards to get the most accurate zero. The 5.56 does not stablize untill 27 yards out. This is from US Military ammo. You zero in at the given distance. The bullet will travel up as it goes out. At 300 meters the height of the round should be almost the same height as it was when leaving the muzzle. ---
**Author:** ![KuntryQuestTSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kuntryquesttsi/32/5010_2.png) [@KuntryQuestTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KuntryQuestTSi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/10 "2011-09-14T17:27:47Z")
> [@gt08vapor](#): > > Zero on the M16 is set at 36 meters, not 50. When ever sighting it in, You must shoot at least 27 yards to get the most accurate zero. The 5.56 does not stablize untill 27 yards out. > > This is from US Military ammo. > > You zero in at the given distance. The bullet will travel up as it goes out. At 300 meters the height of the round should be almost the same height as it was when leaving the muzzle. I was under the impression that the bullet would come back down to the height of the muzzle? ---------- Post added at 08:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:27 PM ---------- NEVERMIND : your talking iron sights. ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/11 "2011-09-14T17:57:48Z")
> [@gt08vapor](#): > > Zero on the M16 is set at 36 meters, not 50. When ever sighting it in, You must shoot at least 27 yards to get the most accurate zero. The 5.56 does not stablize untill 27 yards out. > > This is from US Military ammo. > > You zero in at the given distance. The bullet will travel up as it goes out. At 300 meters the height of the round should be almost the same height as it was when leaving the muzzle. We’re both wrong about the zero. It’s 25 meters/ 82.25 feet/ or just over 27 yards(making you right about the second part). This is from M855 62 grain steel core ammo. M193 55grain will zero differently. I really need to read things before I post ALL the time. lol Quote from FM 3-21 > 0-43. To ensure proper and accurate shot group marking‑‑ > 1. > > ``` > Apply the four fundamentals of marksmanship deliberately and consistently. Establish a steady position allowing observation of the target. Aim the rifle at the target by aligning the sight system, and fire your rifle without disturbing this alignment by improper breathing or during trigger squeeze. > > ``` > 1. > > ``` > Initially, you should fire two individual shot groups before you consider changing the sight. Fire each shot at the same aiming point (center mass of the target) from a supported firing position. You will fire a three‑round shot group at the 25‑meter zero target. > > ``` > 1. > > ``` > You will triangulate each shot group and put the number "1" in the center of the first shot group and a number "2" on the second. Group the two shot groups and mark the center of the two shot groups with an X. If the two shot groups fall within a 4‑centimeter circle then determine what sight adjustments need to be made, then identify the closest horizontal and vertical lines to the X, and then read the 25‑meter zero target to determine the proper sight adjustments to make. A proper zero is achieved if five out of six rounds fall within the 4‑centimeter circle > > ``` ---------- Post added at 08:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 PM ---------- > [@KuntryQuestTSi](#): > > I was under the impression that the bullet would come back down to the height of the muzzle? > > ---------- Post added at 08:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:27 PM ---------- > > NEVERMIND : your talking iron sights. Doesn’t really matter. ---
**Author:** ![gt08vapor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/22d042/32.png) [@gt08vapor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/gt08vapor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/12 "2011-09-14T18:01:18Z")
I also have all the Military break downs, Shooting tables, tagets for sighting in. If you would like a copy i have them all digital. I a hard drive full of weapons information. If anyone is looking for any information, i can see if i have it. ---------- Post added at 09:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 PM ---------- > [@Freek](#): > > We’re both wrong about the zero. It’s 25 meters/ 82.25 feet/ or just over 27 yards(making you right about the second part). This is from M855 62 grain steel core ammo. M193 55grain will zero differently. > I really need to read things before I post ALL the time. lol > > Quote from FM 3-21 > > ---------- Post added at 08:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 PM ---------- > > Doesn’t really matter. that chart is a good refrence, But diffrent rounds will have a diffrent rate of drop over distance. This also is for an M4, My information was for an M16. ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/13 "2011-09-14T18:04:46Z")
> [@gt08vapor](#): > > I also have all the Military break downs, Shooting tables, tagets for sighting in. If you would like a copy i have them all digital. > > I a hard drive full of weapons information. If anyone is looking for any information, i can see if i have it. > > ---------- Post added at 09:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 PM ---------- > > that chart is a good refrence, But difrent rounds will have a diffrent rate of drop over distance. Yeah, that’s M855 specific. Most people will stick to M855 or M193 because of price and availability. Howie for what you’re talking about the main purposes of this weapon. I’d switch to or continue to use M193 55 grain ammo as it has MUCH better close range ballistics than the m855 does. ---
**Author:** ![gt08vapor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/22d042/32.png) [@gt08vapor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/gt08vapor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/14 "2011-09-14T18:07:44Z")
> [@Freek](#): > > Yeah, that’s M855 specific. Most people will stick to M855 or M193 because of price and availability. > > Howie for what you’re talking about the main purposes of this weapon. I’d switch to or continue to use M193 55 grain ammo as it has MUCH better close range ballistics than the m855 does. Yep. I was just rereading. I had the marine corp shooting charts up. They battle zero at 36 yards. I am just an infantry guy, Reading skills suck. ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-for-a-medium-range-scope-for-a-223-5-56-ar/216452/15 "2011-09-14T19:19:44Z")
200 is not enough for anything worth buying when it comes to a magnified optic. For the 1-4x nothing comes close to the burris tac30 for the price. It is 299.