# Looking To Upgrade My Braking System ... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 1, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189 "2005-12-01T21:39:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![95AccordVtec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/95accordvtec/32/7239_2.png) [@95AccordVtec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95AccordVtec)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/21 "2005-12-02T12:38:57Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Why do the calipers have to be red? the calipers don’t HAVE TO be red … but I think the red would look good behind my rims … (sorry about the pic being so big) I was talking to focusinprogress and he said the same thing. That stainless steel lines and brake pads would make a world of a difference. So the SSBC kit only includes stuff for the front? correct? ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/22 "2005-12-02T12:42:13Z")
> [@95AccordVtec](#): > > So the SSBC kit only includes stuff for the front? correct? Depends on the kit. Check their website for application guide: > **[SSBC-USA | American Stopping Power](https://ssbc-usa.com)** > > SSBC-USA is a leading automotive brake systems manufacturer based in Elma, NY. Our state-of-the-art 18,000-square-foot facility produces drum-to-disc conversion kits for classics, custom 8-piston calipers for heavy-duty trucks and other quality brake... Some cars they make a rear kit for two. Don’t know about Hondas off the top of my head. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/23 "2005-12-02T12:44:13Z")
> [@Tkklemann](#): > > I dunno… Okay, sorry then. I just didn’t know You were a brake expert. My apologies. > [@Rx3](#): > > I would suggest pads/stainless steel lines first, then compatible platform swap (or maybe both at teh same time)… Really? I’ve heard alot of comments from both sides of the SS line debate. You have something that says they are beneficial in street apps? ---
**Author:** ![STEALTTH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stealtth/32/7582_2.png) [@STEALTTH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/STEALTTH)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/24 "2005-12-02T12:44:17Z")
IMO wait until the car is running and to the point where you’re going to NEED these brakes. I’m all about upgraded braking systems, but unless you’re doing a lot of racing…save your $. Get the other stuff in order first. ---
**Author:** ![Violator](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/violator/32/7278_2.png) [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/25 "2005-12-02T12:49:01Z")
Get a body kit first ---
**Author:** ![Tkklemann](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tkklemann/32/7298_2.png) [@Tkklemann](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tkklemann)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/26 "2005-12-02T12:52:01Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Okay, sorry then. I just didn’t know You were a brake expert. My apologies. I was just fuggin with you, yes I do work at SSBC… I have initiative to write alot in this thread, but Niagara Mohawk has different opinions of that right now. At 4:00 to 4:30 they are going to kill our power because we have a power pole down over here, and they need to play with their poles now… ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/27 "2005-12-02T12:53:59Z")
shit, thats means i might be with out power at my place too ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/28 "2005-12-02T12:54:13Z")
:tup: definately waiting on Your (eventual) response then. tks ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/29 "2005-12-02T13:12:14Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Really? I’ve heard alot of comments from both sides of the SS line debate. > > You have something that says they are beneficial in street apps? I have my car, and my former track bike that I added stainless lines to. The lines allow the braking system to be more efficient and provide better brake/pedal feel. Increased efficiency = better braking system, especially if you are talking about a 10 year old car. Add some decent pads and rotors to the mix, and it’s better than stock. I proved it to myself on the street, and for most of an autocross season. But don’t take my word for it: [http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44607#post44607](http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44607#post44607) Stoptech, and any other major brake manufacturer worth their salt can spell it out for you. It’s a proven fact that stainless lines are a benefit, assuming of course the rest of your system (pads, rotors, fluid, etc) aren’t worn out. Just follow that Stoptech link to “Stainless Steel Line Q&A”. I’m sure TKKlemann will chime in with something very similar. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/30 "2005-12-02T13:24:54Z")
I’ve read many manufacturer briefs, but I’ve heard of whitepapers from enthusiasts & racers (amatuer to pro) that have negated these. In comparison, I don’t believe every television manufacturer that their new Widget will add “color” to a picture… unless there is a benchmark. The reason I asked for Your (or whomever locally) experience is that I have it on word-of-mouth that You are a real person with a real street-driven car. So, for that, :tup: thx. Obviously line’s _packaged_ with pads & rotors (especially in addition to better then stock clamps) are going to provide a better pedal & performance. My question was simply to wether or not the lines them selves were worth while. IOW I dont want to drop the coin for SS lines on my car if they are marginally better for a street beater occasional track/race car. I’m replacing the lines this winter (if i ever get it back) as it is, I’ve just been debating the “upgrade”. tks again ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/31 "2005-12-02T13:39:56Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Obviously line’s _packaged_ with pads & rotors (especially in addition to better then stock clamps) are going to provide a better pedal & performance. My question was simply to wether or not the lines them selves were worth while. > > IOW I dont want to drop the coin for SS lines on my car if they are marginally better for a street beater occasional track/race car. I’m replacing the lines this winter (if i ever get it back) as it is, I’ve just been debating the “upgrade”. > > tks again From my experience. If your rotors are in good condition, or fluids are properly changed and you have GOOD PADS, then you can benefit from stainless steel lines. Especially if your car is older than say 2002. I would suggest (if you decide to try SS lines) inspecting your rotors for wear, cracks (especially if cross-drilled). If the rotors are ok, get a new set of pads, flush your brake fluid, and add the SS lines. You will experience a world of difference. At the very minimum, the _confidence_ in the pedal feel as well as the _response/feedback from the pedal_ will change the way you brake while driving. That alone is worth the price of the SS lines. ---
**Author:** ![skatanic28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@skatanic28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skatanic28)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/32 "2005-12-02T13:41:53Z")
i upgraded the pads to hawk hps and ran ss lines and ate fluid. that made a world of difference in pedal feel. the stopping power is more than i will ever need on the street. lines are only like 90 bucks, so its not really much of an investment. try to find a set with a coating on the outside of the lines. ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/33 "2005-12-02T13:43:41Z")
Coating or plasic sleeves over the lines, especially if you plan on winter driving. ---
**Author:** ![16vCorvette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/b487fb/32.png) [@16vCorvette](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/16vCorvette)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/34 "2005-12-02T14:20:22Z")
> [@skatanic28](#): > > i upgraded the pads to hawk hps and ran ss lines and ate fluid. that made a world of difference in pedal feel. the stopping power is more than i will ever need on the street. lines are only like 90 bucks, so its not really much of an investment. try to find a set with a coating on the outside of the lines. best option so far :tup ---
**Author:** ![95AccordVtec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/95accordvtec/32/7239_2.png) [@95AccordVtec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95AccordVtec)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/35 "2005-12-02T15:00:17Z")
> [@Violator](#): > > Get a body kit first sad part is … I already did that awhile ago :banghead: before I knew any better ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/36 "2005-12-02T15:03:13Z")
> [@95AccordVtec](#): > > sad part is … I already did that awhile ago :banghead: before I knew any better lol :tup: to learning 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![95AccordVtec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/95accordvtec/32/7239_2.png) [@95AccordVtec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95AccordVtec)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/37 "2005-12-02T15:25:02Z")
that’s basically what I’m trying to do … learn. I may sound like an idiot sometimes, ok most of the time, but it happens when you’re asking about stuff that you basically know nothing about. The Accord is a summer only vehicle, but I’ll still see if I can get the SS lines w/ the coating/plastic sleeving on them, it can’t hurt. I think it’s about time to change the pads too. Speaking of pads … are the ceramic ones that much better than the other types of brake pads? ---
**Author:** ![Garick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8797f3/32.png) [@Garick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Garick)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/38 "2005-12-02T15:34:35Z")
some good brake articles here from stoptech [http://www.stoptech.com/tech\_info/tech\_white\_papers.shtml](http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/tech_white_papers.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![skatanic28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@skatanic28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skatanic28)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/39 "2005-12-02T15:41:29Z")
> [@95AccordVtec](#): > > The Accord is a summer only vehicle, but I’ll still see if I can get the SS lines w/ the coating/plastic sleeving on them, it can’t hurt. I think it’s about time to change the pads too. Speaking of pads … are the ceramic ones that much better than the other types of brake pads? the coating is pretty important no matter what. if any dirt or rock fragments gets in between the steel and teflon, they have a much higher chance of rupture. that would be most unpleasant in a hard driving/emergency braking situation. whatever you are looking at for pads, just make sure you match them to where/how you will be driving. race pads will not be good on the street as you will most likely have problems getting them up to temp and keeping them up there. ---
**Author:** ![MHill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea5d25/32.png) [@MHill](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MHill)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/looking-to-upgrade-my-braking-system/5189/40 "2005-12-02T15:42:25Z")
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