# Lower chain guard - death to take off?? probbley! **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [August 6, 2004, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394 "2004-08-06T08:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/1 "2004-08-06T08:04:36Z")
Ya. I have a rattle and it sounds like the one that my upper chain guard was makeing. So I took that off a while ago and the sound went away. well now it is back and I think it is the bottom guard. Has anyone taking one off and how hard is it??? Please help it is driving me nuts. ---
**Author:** ![AnDrEw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AnDrEw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AnDrEw)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/2 "2004-08-06T09:34:21Z")
you can’t take off the lower chain guides. You need those. One is for tensioner other is just a simple guide. The lower ones are important. You can only remove the upper ones minus the tensioner which I would keep. As for working on lower timing chain, set an afternoon aside, its not easy. You need to remove the oil pan and all pulleys as well as the timing covers. Then you need to reset timing marks in correct place when installing new chain. Andrew ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/3 "2004-08-06T10:26:16Z")
crappy, Hmmmmmmm I really want to find out what this rattle is ---
**Author:** ![jjm\_240sx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b77776/32.png) [@jjm\_240sx](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jjm_240sx)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/4 "2004-08-06T13:39:29Z")
If you plan on taking off the oil pan make it a weekend job. You have to rais the engine up about 5" to get the pan off (to clear the pump, and bottom frame brace) ---
**Author:** ![AnDrEw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AnDrEw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AnDrEw)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/5 "2004-08-07T09:42:56Z")
> [@jjm\_240sx](#): > > If you plan on taking off the oil pan make it a weekend job. You have to rais the engine up about 5" to get the pan off (to clear the pump, and bottom frame brace) just pull damn thing out, thats what I do :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Titan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Titan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Titan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/6 "2004-08-07T09:58:24Z")
> [@AnDrEw](#): > > [quote=jjm\_240sx]If you plan on taking off the oil pan make it a weekend job. You have to rais the engine up about 5" to get the pan off (to clear the pump, and bottom frame brace) just pull damn thing out, thats what I do :lol:[/quote] Can’t really do that. Especially since you have to put it back in with RTV around the edge. I had my motor jacked up, and I still got a little bit of RTV on my crank girdle when I slid my pan back in. If you want to find out what the noise is, take a weekend to pull the pan out and the timing cover off (or 4-5 hrs if you’re Matt, and you’ve done it like 6 times. 8) ) Then you’ll have full access to all your guides so you can inspect and replace them. Also, you can do what I did and weld a barb fitting into the pan for an oil return line if you ever plan on going ka-t (you can plug up the barb in the mean time). ---
**Author:** ![AnDrEw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AnDrEw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AnDrEw)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/7 "2004-08-07T10:03:36Z")
> [@Titan](#): > > [quote=AnDrEw][quote=jjm\_240sx]If you plan on taking off the oil pan make it a weekend job. You have to rais the engine up about 5" to get the pan off (to clear the pump, and bottom frame brace) just pull damn thing out, thats what I do :lol:[/quote] Can’t really do that. Especially since you have to put it back in with RTV around the edge. I had my motor jacked up, and I still got a little bit of RTV on my crank girdle when I slid my pan back in. If you want to find out what the noise is, take a weekend to pull the pan out and the timing cover off (or 4-5 hrs if you’re Matt, and you’ve done it like 6 times. 8) ) Then you’ll have full access to all your guides so you can inspect and replace them. Also, you can do what I did and weld a barb fitting into the pan for an oil return line if you ever plan on going ka-t (you can plug up the barb in the mean time).[/quote] I had no problems. pull the damn engine out it only takes few hours to pull. Do whole timing chain kit. It takes a day to pull, fix and have running just intime for dinner. I hate fighting with the engine in the car. So I just pull it. Trust me I’ve done it. More than once :x ---
**Author:** ![Titan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Titan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Titan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/8 "2004-08-07T12:07:43Z")
> [@AnDrEw](#): > > [quote=Titan][quote=AnDrEw][quote=jjm\_240sx]If you plan on taking off the oil pan make it a weekend job. You have to rais the engine up about 5" to get the pan off (to clear the pump, and bottom frame brace) just pull damn thing out, thats what I do :lol:[/quote] Can’t really do that. Especially since you have to put it back in with RTV around the edge. I had my motor jacked up, and I still got a little bit of RTV on my crank girdle when I slid my pan back in. If you want to find out what the noise is, take a weekend to pull the pan out and the timing cover off (or 4-5 hrs if you’re Matt, and you’ve done it like 6 times. 8) ) Then you’ll have full access to all your guides so you can inspect and replace them. Also, you can do what I did and weld a barb fitting into the pan for an oil return line if you ever plan on going ka-t (you can plug up the barb in the mean time).[/quote] I had no problems. pull the damn engine out it only takes few hours to pull. Do whole timing chain kit. It takes a day to pull, fix and have running just intime for dinner. I hate fighting with the engine in the car. So I just pull it. Trust me I’ve done it. More than once :x[/quote] Oh, you meant pull the motor. I thought you meant just pull the pan without jacking the motor, which is impossible. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![jjm\_240sx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b77776/32.png) [@jjm\_240sx](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jjm_240sx)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/9 "2004-08-07T12:17:05Z")
Ya pull it out it would be alot easer. ---
**Author:** ![Titan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Titan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Titan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/10 "2004-08-07T13:20:49Z")
Yes it would be… if your garage is bigger then a mouse’s ass. You know it’s bad when your legs are fully vertical against the wall as your working under the car. ---
**Author:** ![\_M\_aurice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/c5a1d2/32.png) [@\_M\_aurice](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_M_aurice)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/11 "2004-08-08T11:36:12Z")
Ugh I remember doing a swap like that… and it was only to do a worthless SOHC :evil: ---
**Author:** ![Uniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/34f0e0/32.png) [@Uniac](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Uniac)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/12 "2004-08-08T12:40:24Z")
hmm, it is “easier” to do it out of the car, but, i can do it just as fast in the car. It’s really not that hard. the biggest pain is draining the coolant so you don’t get it everywhere when you crack the frontcover seal. Besides that. make sure the motor is at tdc #1 when you take the timing/distributer out, or it’s fun trying to set the timing. You will need to pull the crank pully aswell so either go to princess auto and pay 12$ for one or rent one from CT. Other than that, it’s all straight forwardm and you really cant fuck up…that being said i did so be careful with the front cover oil seal, if you get the keyway stuck in the groove on the crank shaft, you’ll leak more oil than burn gas :oops: have fun. and pete, thats 4-5 hours to rip it down and be back out driving, get that rite 😛 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/13 "2004-08-08T19:19:28Z")
Man this seems like so much work and I am not even sure if that is the problem ---
**Author:** ![AnDrEw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AnDrEw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AnDrEw)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/14 "2004-08-08T19:28:05Z")
> [@Benson240sx](#): > > Man this seems like so much work and I am not even sure if that is the problem Anything involving engine work is alot of work. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/15 "2004-08-08T19:42:15Z")
Did you Take the Side Timing Chaing Guide out Beside the Dizzy? If not that’s your problem ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/16 "2004-08-09T04:28:00Z")
No, I do not belve I took that one out. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets hope that is it. does anyone have a pic Of what one this is. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/17 "2004-08-09T16:31:44Z")
Yes Yes I Do… ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/18 "2004-08-09T16:38:48Z")
![http://membersdb.son240sx.ca/images/membersdb/1009_timing_chain_guide_removal.jpg](http://membersdb.son240sx.ca/images/membersdb/1009_timing_chain_guide_removal.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![AnDrEw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AnDrEw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AnDrEw)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2004, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/19 "2004-08-10T10:05:17Z")
Nice diagram Adam 🙂 I bet thats what it is. That upper chain is so tight already there really isn’t any need for those 2 guides. Andrew. ---
**Author:** ![Sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@Sven](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sven)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2004, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394/20 "2004-08-10T10:34:51Z")
That second one looks like a bitch to remove. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lower-chain-guard-death-to-take-off-probbley/81394.md?page=2)