# LS1 cam ? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 28, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193 "2005-12-28T16:28:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/21 "2005-12-29T15:22:31Z")
> [@FormulaLS1](#): > > You have never built a fast NA car… > > If you think your some master LS1 combo maker…Chucks car is right on par with all that other procharged LS1 cars with AFR heads and built bottom ends… > > If its so easy to run those numbers with just AFR heads and or home ported heads and small cams…Why arnt any of the cars in your shop even running 11.0 or quicker?? with POWER ADDERS. You are such an idiot this is almost too easy. I have never built a fast NA car, but officially you have low 13 second car. I have sold tons of packages/combinations to people around the US who run mid 11’s at 125 mph. So although I didn’t build them I sold them all the parts they needed to go fast. Honestly what is the difference. I mean I could sell you a combo IF YOU HAD THE MONEY I would say Chucks car is a cut above other procharged LS1 cars, when I see people with 400 cu. in procharged cars making around the same HP/torq on [morons.com](http://morons.com). I think Chuck’s car performs extremely well considering it pounding the shit out of most cars on the street and was right off the fender of FastMOFO’s which is without a question a very fast car. There is an AFR head, small cam car in the works right now so you can see the results in the spring. Also why wasn’t you buddy drew in the 11’s just on the motor, why did he need 100 hp shot of the squeeze to get there. Also I see nothing wrong with a power adder. They are a nice way to keep a very streetable combo along with great street manners. Chuck’s car idles like a champ and your grand mother could go shopping in it. Not to mention the Firehawk isn’t the lightest F body out there like all your 11 second cam only 3000 lb cars. Anymore stupid?? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/22 "2005-12-29T15:35:59Z")
lol my cars a lot quicker then low 13 sec…You can put my car up agaisnt Jeeves car if you like this summer…or any of these other mythical cars you sold cam packages to… lol Drew went 12.1 on motor with a 2.0 60` then was fucking around with nitrous for fun but his clutch was smoked so who knows… Your AFR/Small cammed car…Did you call Tony at AFR up and suck him off for cam specs…and how to port the FAST 90/90 setup…then rename it a custom setup by JnJ :lol: I wasnt knocking Chucks setup at all…His car is fast…But it has nothing to do with your ability to design LS1 combos… I got an idea…you did a custom JnJ cam for Jeeves…Jump in his passenger seat next year grab the video camera just like last time…and make sure you have new and novel excuses ready 🙂 I did get a kick out of you saying I was spraying… ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/23 "2005-12-29T15:55:03Z")
> [@JnJSpdShop](#): > > You also don’t think area (total power & torque) under the curve is important? What planet are you from? Ever hear the term horsepower sells cars (cams in this case) and torque wins races. I would give up 20 peak rwhp to gain 50 ft. lbs. in the low end and across the power band. Also it is pretty pointless to get over .600" lift with a bone stock casting because most stock castings go turbulent after .615" ish. Also the Comp LSK lobes are hell on a valvetrain for a daily driver. Now I know you (sherm) will not understand this but I will try. The LSK lobe is very aggressive, notice how they recommend Comp 921 springs because of the nature of the cam lobe. Also the Comp 921 springs are only $413.00 and me and most other people would recommend Ti retainers to lighten the valvetrain to reduce the risk of valve float and PTV disaster. SO the Comp 921 kit with Ti retainers is only $600.00. Not to mention you still need hardened pushrods ($125). So is having dual valve springs a bad thing…You did a custom JnJ cam for Jeeves and he had dual valve springs :lol: [http://sonikempire.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/Sherm\_12.60@110mph.MPG](http://sonikempire.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/Sherm_12.60@110mph.MPG) That was a street tire pass on nittos 1.94 60` or something lame…and for some reason thats still faster then any NA car you have put out…and oddly enough my car went faster then that borrowing some slicks…I wonder what would happen with a LS6 intake and a convertor… ---
**Author:** ![Twizted](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/twizted/32/7206_2.png) [@Twizted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Twizted)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/24 "2005-12-29T16:50:00Z")
da da da drammma for your baby llama foolz…keep it going boys i need a laugh:lol: ---
**Author:** ![Choda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/choda/32/7347_2.png) [@Choda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Choda)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/25 "2005-12-29T17:01:15Z")
sherm what are u gonna do if jeeves pulls u NA. well we’ll see, i cant wait for 06, this nonsnow winter sucks ---
**Author:** ![Firehawk853](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/firehawk853/32/7607_2.png) [@Firehawk853](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Firehawk853)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/26 "2005-12-29T17:31:20Z")
Sherm, seriously, you need to stop. You’ve been hiding in Texas for the last year with nothing to show and before that my shitty heads pulled your N20 :snky: ass. And cam that I got from your lovers and Texas Speed was JUNK! Fucking junk. I would never go back to them nor listen to them becasuse all they wanted to do was sell me something they could make money on, like Patriot Heads… Fuck them. Should we talk about what they did to AFR? Have to talked to Tony Mamo personally? As for people around here, Jay knows what he is doing and for you to bash him is ignorant.,or maybe cause you never paid for your shit. :gotme: All your doing is starting shit that nobody wants to hear so put down your beebee gun before you shoot your eye out kid. You want to talk about power under the curve?? Jeeves car will waste you. I have no doubt. MY CAR?? ON PAR? :lol: How about the 95 percentile. There are other blown LS1 with more boost making 50-75rwhp less than me. Trapping in @ a buck thirty, I’m fairly happy to say the least. Back on topic, if you want a decent daily driver with value added power, talk to Jay. ---
**Author:** ![Twizted](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/twizted/32/7206_2.png) [@Twizted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Twizted)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/27 "2005-12-29T17:35:59Z")
i think its funny that ppl in this thread think sherm has spray and only run 13’s n/a…ROFL ---
**Author:** ![BaD\_AZz\_Z\_28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@BaD\_AZz\_Z\_28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BaD_AZz_Z_28)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/28 "2005-12-29T17:50:30Z")
> [@Twizted](#): > > i think its funny that ppl in this thread think sherm has spray and only run 13’s n/a…ROFL Id say its more sad than funny, but either one works > [@FormulaLS1](#): > > Lets see Drew joined the army…and was running in the 11s at 125+…with a 1.7X on a 100shot…with a stock slipping clutch… > > A lot of people on here raced Drews car last spring before he left for the Army…including Badazz…I don’t rember Drew talking about power under the curve while he was pulling away from everyone… Should we go over the fact that Drew’s HEADS and huge lift cam couldnt pull an inch on a 350 with a hotcam, the fact that he couldnt get into the 11s in buffalo even on the bottle, or the fact that you cant beat me and should keep my name out of your mouth. There are only 3 more months of winter before you dont matter, get it all in while you can, I expect another MIA '06 from ya. Say hi to your girlfriend for me. ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/29 "2005-12-29T17:50:39Z")
> [@Twizted](#): > > i think its funny that ppl in this thread think sherm has spray and only run 13’s n/a…ROFL i know who would have posted time slips of 13’s and have juice that’s so gay :bloated: ---
**Author:** ![Twizted](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/twizted/32/7206_2.png) [@Twizted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Twizted)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/30 "2005-12-29T18:16:04Z")
> [@BaD AZz Z/28](#): > > Say hi to your girlfriend for me. Ohh Snap!!! :mamoru: ---
**Author:** ![Choda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/choda/32/7347_2.png) [@Choda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Choda)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/31 "2005-12-29T18:26:23Z")
> [@BaD AZz Z/28](#): > > Say hi to your girlfriend for me. oh shit > [@sprfreek](#): > > i know who would have posted time slips of 13’s and have juice that’s so gay :bloated: it took me a blower with 10psi and a 125 shot to get a 13.1 :bloated: ---
**Author:** ![Locutus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/locutus/32/7574_2.png) [@Locutus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Locutus)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/32 "2005-12-29T18:35:01Z")
i heart domestic drama ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/33 "2005-12-29T19:14:55Z")
> [@FormulaLS1](#): > > lol my cars a lot quicker then low 13 sec…You can put my car up agaisnt Jeeves car if you like this summer…or any of these other mythical cars you sold cam packages to… > > lol Drew went 12.1 on motor with a 2.0 60` then was fucking around with nitrous for fun but his clutch was smoked so who knows… > > Your AFR/Small cammed car…Did you call Tony at AFR up and suck him off for cam specs…and how to port the FAST 90/90 setup…then rename it a custom setup by JnJ :lol: > > I wasnt knocking Chucks setup at all…His car is fast…But it has nothing to do with your ability to design LS1 combos… > > I got an idea…you did a custom JnJ cam for Jeeves…Jump in his passenger seat next year grab the video camera just like last time…and make sure you have new and novel excuses ready 🙂 > > I did get a kick out of you saying I was spraying… Okay so your car went 12.68 once, and you have faster times when you BORROWED a set of slicks. No I didn’t suck Tony off for any cam specs but I did speak with him about the tricks of porting the FAST intake because he has spent 20+ hours on a flow bench and I have no facility or time to spend 20+ hours to find 2-3 hp. So I figured I would consult someone who knows a great deal about it. Kind of like you should do with your limited knowledge. If you stop being a fuckin asshole for a few seconds you just might learn a thing or two. Oh and about Chuck’s setup I guess the parts just assembled themselves. Oh BTW where is your proof of faster times?? Track Slips \> Excuses of borrowed slicks Oh and is your SIG referring to Mark’s green car??? :hitit: > [@FormulaLS1](#): > > …and for some reason thats still faster then any NA car you have put out…and oddly enough my car went faster then that borrowing some slicks…I wonder what would happen with a LS6 intake and a convertor… Well honestly badazz used to pound the shit out of you NA, so that bullshit doesn’t fly. I wonder what would happen with an LS6 intake and a stall?? Maybe when you scrap together the money in 2007 you can show me, until then stop talking stupid. Oh and dual springs are a good thing, but having to run a $500 set of premium springs to ward away valve float on a daily driver is exotic ---
**Author:** ![Choda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/choda/32/7347_2.png) [@Choda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Choda)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/34 "2005-12-29T19:42:29Z")
:word: i still doubt it went 12.6, vids/slips ❤ ---
**Author:** ![99LS1VERT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99ls1vert/32/7317_2.png) [@99LS1VERT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99LS1VERT)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/35 "2005-12-29T20:56:26Z")
Look at all the drama i started:biglol: But back on topic Yes i want my car to be streetable and keep my 3200 stall… Gears, idont know because i will proably get a 12 bolt but i still want a highway gear so 342 or 373. lets work around that instead on haveing a pissing match ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/36 "2005-12-29T21:21:01Z")
> [@99LS1VERT](#): > > Look at all the drama i started:biglol: > > But back on topic Yes i want my car to be streetable and keep my 3200 stall… > Gears, idont know because i will proably get a 12 bolt but i still want a highway gear so 342 or 373. lets work around that instead on haveing a pissing match You say 3200 but what RPM can you foot brake it to? and is it loose from a dead stop of very tight where it grabs right away ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/37 "2005-12-29T21:28:15Z")
> [@Choda](#): > > :word: i still doubt it went 12.6, vids/slips ❤ There was a video 12.68, but he claims 12.2 on UBRF. Sherm all BS aside answer me 1 question you claim 12.2 with a 3.73 automatic bolt on car. Then you talk about how great the Trex camshaft is even with stock heads. Then you also said Drew went 12.1 with his Trex, M6 and 4.11 gears. Do you see how this doesn’t add up? ---
**Author:** ![99LS1VERT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99ls1vert/32/7317_2.png) [@99LS1VERT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99LS1VERT)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/38 "2005-12-29T21:53:29Z")
> [@JnJSpdShop](#): > > You say 3200 but what RPM can you foot brake it to? and is it loose from a dead stop of very tight where it grabs right away It wil foot break to about 29 to 3 grand. its not very loose but when you hammer it it flashes to 3200 or close to I think (ide rather watch the road) ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/39 "2005-12-30T04:25:25Z")
> [@JnJSpdShop](#): > > There was a video 12.68, but he claims 12.2 on UBRF. > > Sherm all BS aside answer me 1 question you claim 12.2 with a 3.73 automatic bolt on car. Then you talk about how great the Trex camshaft is even with stock heads. Then you also said Drew went 12.1 with his Trex, M6 and 4.11 gears. Do you see how this doesn’t add up? I guess my car is just super sweet and drews car out trapped mine by like 6-7 mph…not to mention my 60` was much better then his… I love how all of you claim I sprayed everyone…I guess thats what happens when you have to justify patchetic setups? **HEY REMBER THAT TIME YOU TRYED TO SPRAY JEEVES CAR TO RACE ME AND FROZE THE MAF BECAUSE YOUR SO FUCKING SMART** Patriot heads suck and thats why TSP stopped carrying them… It not my fault your firehawk with heads/cam would pull my bolt on Formula by a car lenth over 110 if u got lucky :-\ and that was before I even had gears. I raced Badazzs car like 3 years ago its been blown up ever since…The fastest time slips he ever had for that car NA was 12.9 or something exciting… Funny Badazz bash Drews setup he went faster then your 11.999 @ 118 :lol: and for the record he had stock heads… If you all think Jeeves car will waste mine…bring it on…we can race at the track 🙂 Cam + LS6 heads = low 39Xhp :tdown: Hey I will even give JnJ credit for Chucks car…sweet thats 1 fast car every 6 years average I was MIA last season…AKA not sitting at mighty…Badazz your one to talk about being MIA…You had your car out…it blew up…got it out again…it blew up…back out…wait it doesnt run right…that pretty much sums up the past 2 years… Most good performing LS1 cam shafts use XE-R lobes and everyone suggests you run dual valve springs with those… ---
**Author:** ![Twizted](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/twizted/32/7206_2.png) [@Twizted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Twizted)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193/40 "2005-12-30T04:40:56Z")
i can vouch he has a 12.6 slip but nothing else…i can also vouch the car has never seen a bottle ever. as far as this year id like to see this race along with many other go down…but i dont think sherm will get the work done. but thats my opinion… guess we will see im just waiting for spring so i can get my rematch with Oroc and he can pwn me 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ls1-cam/6193.md?page=3)