# LVD 9/17/08 **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [September 15, 2008, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956 "2008-09-15T09:34:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/101 "2008-09-17T21:36:40Z")
I wish he would just get it over with and get himself a TH400 or find someone that knows how to _really_ build a 4L60/65/80e ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/102 "2008-09-17T21:39:51Z")
> [@jdaniels](#): > > I wish he would just get it over with and get himself a TH400 or find someone that knows how to _really_ build a 4L60/65/80e level 10 seems to not cooperate with his requests. and then they change the warranty policy on it. and set some crazy boundaries on it, low boost, low shift points… where they know the range he requested and how he expects it to perform. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/103 "2008-09-17T23:37:29Z")
Hopefully Ray will post whatever video there is. Here’s the deal… I am not an idiot… I know full well a 4l60 will not last. I went to Level 10, after 5 4l60’s. Level Ten owner, Pat Barrett sat in his office, an office full of awards, magazine covers and trophies, all with Level Ten magical praise plastered all over… He said they have the 4l60 figured out. That they can make the tranny take 800-1000 hp. I asked for the 4l80, he argued with me for 20 minutes how the weight and gearing of the 4l80 would slow me down 2-4 tenths. Then he said he would support me and give me a one year unlimited warranty… and would work side by side to make things work right. There is a terrible and long bullshit story that followed, and someday it may make for a nice short movie, but the bottom line is I spent 5k for a 2k tranny, willingly, knowing and expecting to break it. The tranny broke on the dyno a month ago, have only run a few full passes on the street, with limited traction. As I told everyone, I know the track would break it…since I didn’t get there on tranny #1, I made sure to get there immediately with tranny number two. I made it through the burnout… rolled into 1st , began to full accelerate in mid 2nd and “bang” went something when 3rd was about to come in. It was hooking and I was gonna go for a hell of a ride, and I don’t say that often, but I could tell, traction was more than I ever had on the street. Sounded like a hammer hit me floorboard, no idea why. I have Eddie with the S-10 pick my car up from level ten… at which time they chose to write on the invoice that my warranty was a “good will” and further that I must “POWER DOWN” the car, and not shift above 5800 rpm. What happen to 800-1000 hp? We shall find out. I am recording the phone call… for youtube, more on that later. So, apparently, according to the receipt, I will not be covered for a rebuild (amen, I will not do a 4l60 again). So , I have paid 5k for a pair of trannys, a month without the car, a bag of lies, big lies (more on this later) and 600 miles worth of driving. People wonder why I didn’t run at the track or race or get on it allot…well, because I knew the fate, and tried to time it appropriately… that, in and of itself is bullshit. For 5k, i should have been thrashing daily. Theres the deal, that’s why I don’t have a 400 or 4l80 Mr Daniels, and that’s 1/4 of the story that will unfold like a Level Ten Bash Book, live for all to hear, if they decide to play hard. I will plead to use all you members to phone/web blast their ass if they are unreasonable. Nothing yet, I’ll keep things updated (perhaps a thread split!) Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/104 "2008-09-17T23:44:06Z")
> [@jdaniels](#): > > I wish he would just get it over with and get himself a TH400 or find someone that knows how to _really_ build a 4L60/65/80e For the record, I have used Rowland, Uncle frankie, FLT, TCS, RPM and Level Ten. ---
**Author:** ![big\_red](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/big_red/32/6328_2.png) [@big\_red](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/big_red)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/105 "2008-09-18T04:27:20Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > I was watching your runs…you shift sooooo slow. thats cause I kept missing 3rd :headbang :headbang :headbang ---
**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/106 "2008-09-18T04:34:58Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > Hopefully Ray will post whatever video there is… It makes sense that they wouldn’t just comply with your request for a stronger trans in the 4L80 :wtf ---
**Author:** ![6SPD\_S4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/6spd_s4/32/6326_2.png) [@6SPD\_S4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/6SPD_S4)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/107 "2008-09-18T05:17:33Z")
> [@K20powerz](#): > > obviously something WAY wrong… 35r K20’s are trapping 135-140. :nuts Who knows maybe it was a low boost run ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/108 "2008-09-18T05:51:38Z")
> [@BIG RED](#): > > thats cause I kept missing 3rd :headbang :headbang :headbang let me run it for ya then! ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/109 "2008-09-18T05:56:35Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > Hopefully Ray will post whatever video there is. > > Here’s the deal… I am not an idiot… I know full well a 4l60 will not last. I went to Level 10, after 5 4l60’s. Level Ten owner, Pat Barrett sat in his office, an office full of awards, magazine covers and trophies, all with Level Ten magical praise plastered all over… > > He said they have the 4l60 figured out. That they can make the tranny take 800-1000 hp. I asked for the 4l80, he argued with me for 20 minutes how the weight and gearing of the 4l80 would slow me down 2-4 tenths. > > Then he said he would support me and give me a one year unlimited warranty… and would work side by side to make things work right. > There is a terrible and long bullshit story that followed, and someday it may make for a nice short movie, but the bottom line is I spent 5k for a 2k tranny, willingly, knowing and expecting to break it. > The tranny broke on the dyno a month ago, have only run a few full passes on the street, with limited traction. > > As I told everyone, I know the track would break it…since I didn’t get there on tranny #1, I made sure to get there immediately with tranny number two. > > I made it through the burnout… rolled into 1st , began to full accelerate in mid 2nd and “bang” went something when 3rd was about to come in. It was hooking and I was gonna go for a hell of a ride, and I don’t say that often, but I could tell, traction was more than I ever had on the street. Sounded like a hammer hit me floorboard, no idea why. > > I have Eddie with the S-10 pick my car up from level ten… at which time they chose to write on the invoice that my warranty was a “good will” and further that I must “POWER DOWN” the car, and not shift above 5800 rpm. What happen to 800-1000 hp? We shall find out. I am recording the phone call… for youtube, more on that later. > > So, apparently, according to the receipt, I will not be covered for a rebuild (amen, I will not do a 4l60 again). So , I have paid 5k for a pair of trannys, a month without the car, a bag of lies, big lies (more on this later) and 600 miles worth of driving. > People wonder why I didn’t run at the track or race or get on it allot…well, because I knew the fate, and tried to time it appropriately… that, in and of itself is bullshit. For 5k, i should have been thrashing daily. > > Theres the deal, that’s why I don’t have a 400 or 4l80 Mr Daniels, and that’s 1/4 of the story that will unfold like a Level Ten Bash Book, live for all to hear, if they decide to play hard. > > I will plead to use all you members to phone/web blast their ass if they are unreasonable. Nothing yet, I’ll keep things updated (perhaps a thread split!) > > Thanks the whole situation just sucks how he talked you into something you didnt want, yet paying a shit load of money for it…looking forward to the level 10 bash video to come… ever think of Power glide?? ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/110 "2008-09-18T06:00:41Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > let me run it for ya then! Dident you just start driving stick like 2 months ago? ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/111 "2008-09-18T06:13:58Z")
> [@Shady](#): > > Dident you just start driving stick like 2 months ago? yah…and I havent missed a gear in months…and it was about 4 months ago since I have owned the car. I watched dave miss 3rd atleast 3 times before I left (once was 2 times, in one run) ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/112 "2008-09-18T06:17:23Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > yah…and I havent missed a gear in months…and it was about 4 months ago since I have owned the car. > > I watched dave miss 3rd atleast 3 times before I left (once was 2 times, in one run) Ahh It happens to the best of us man, somedays were just not feelin the gears. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/113 "2008-09-18T06:52:31Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > let me run it for ya then! adam would be better for that. ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/114 "2008-09-18T08:08:53Z")
> [@K20powerz](#): > > obviously something WAY wrong… 35r K20’s are trapping 135-140. :nuts Maybe a built one… ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/115 "2008-09-18T08:16:32Z")
go with a permabuilt trans, i dont think there is anyone out there that can truely make a 4l60e stand the test of time ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/116 "2008-09-18T08:18:12Z")
I would prob do a BUILT TO THE WALL 4l80e, its nice to have o/d in a street car, hence there not being a glide or th400 in it. But a TH400 with a gear vendors o/d kit would sick!!! ---
**Author:** ![BURNALL4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnall4/32/6502_2.png) [@BURNALL4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BURNALL4)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/117 "2008-09-18T08:57:02Z")
I hit my goal for the season! im going to E-Town this weekend for the Evo/Sti shootout and gonna mop up some sti’s in the stock appearing turbo class…Heads up **PRO TREE** which should be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/118 "2008-09-18T09:06:29Z")
> [@plaf713](#): > > go with a permabuilt trans, i dont think there is anyone out there that can truely make a 4l60e stand the test of time theirs guys with 500rwhp turbo V6’s blowing their trannys. ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/119 "2008-09-18T09:43:07Z")
SS I think I saw your car parked in the parking lot… and some really good looking girl getting something out of it. She kept giving me looks… I swear I was checking the car out and not her. lol. ---
**Author:** ![lconrad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lconrad/32/6314_2.png) [@lconrad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lconrad)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956/120 "2008-09-18T10:25:51Z")
jammer i’ll pos t the video up when i get out of work…youtube was down last night when i was trying to upload… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lvd-9-17-08/238956.md?page=7)