# Mafia Machinez: Big Body discussion ITT. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [November 25, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mafia-machinez-big-body-discussion-itt/261476 "2011-11-25T16:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 60
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mafia-machinez-big-body-discussion-itt/261476/60 "2011-12-01T16:19:46Z")
> [@Local big hockey shop?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/local-big-hockey-shop/46905/20): > > Welp, heres my opinion: > > While the M is a nice car I don’t think its in the same category as a 7 Series, LS, S Class (or whatever 80-million classes Benz has thats in line with those). To me a top of the line luxury liner has key features that separate it from the pack, one being an extended wheelbase or optional extended wheelbase. BMW has the “Individual” option which you can order special paint colors and interior options, Benz has high security options that include laminated glass and Kevlar door inserts. Lexus has a normal wheelbase LS460 and the LS460L which along with Audis long wheelbase has **heated and cooled rear seats, power adjustable rear seats, power sunshades, power foot rests, rear seat entertainment, cooler/refrigerator in rear center armrest, separate rear audio controls, etc. Essentially a borderline limousine.** In my point of view I would classify the M as a competitor with the 5-series BMW and its equivalents. In my eyes I look at the Lexus LS as BARELY coming in line with a 7 series, A8, or equivalent Benz, as it has bare minimum of what the others have for options. See bold. You realize the M has all that except for the power foot rests (wtf is that? the thing that slides out just behind your knee?). Right? This is why I say it’s in the same class. Mine doesn’t, but the loaded ones have all that and then some (speakers in your seats - right behind your ears), all the tech/intelligent crap these cars have today like cruise, accident assist, lane assist, etc. See M interior pic above for reference on the entertainment features. And the V8 in the M56 puts out more power than some of the V8’s in it’s class. Just sayin. Hell, the M35h (their new hybrid) puts out 300+ HP AND gets almost (or does - don’t remember) 30mpg in the CITY. If you want to talk about ‘innovation’. That’s it. Anyway, doesn’t really matter to me if neither of you like my car. Couldn’t care less actually. Just sad to see that there are so many fanboi’s out there who won’t welcome to the new guy to the club :lol. 99% of them have never even driven or been in the car but base it off of what other people tell them. Anyway…we can all agree that LS \> \* anyway. I’m sure we can all admit that all cars that are within the average well off persons reach fall short of that car. Period. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mafia-machinez-big-body-discussion-itt/261476)._