# Man is defiant at a border patrol checkpoint **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 25, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105 "2009-03-25T16:47:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/61 "2009-03-25T21:04:04Z")
> [@Wookie](#): > > The guy is being a douche. Didn’t comply with a lawful order from a law enforcement officer, that is pc enough to pull him over and detain him. what was the lawful order he didn’t comply with? (I didn’t watch all the video) ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/62 "2009-03-25T21:06:52Z")
i have nothing to hide, search my car all you want, and it;s stripped interior, not like theyll ruin anything lol ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/63 "2009-03-25T21:14:02Z")
> [@sedlmeier101](#): > > yeah, the agent said 4-6 months from the time you apply… > I am worried about my Highschool 4 years coming back to bite me ☹ > I was always getting in trouble (skipping,disobedient ect) and my grades sucked… Unless you graduated from hs last summer I doubt they will contact the school. but who knows right? I applied at a open interview thing on one of their computers and two weeks after taking the test I got a letter saying I said I did all these bad things, like I have been convicted of a felony, drug charges, violating immigration/customs laws, etc. There were eight things listed. I have tried pot twice in my life summer of 07 (didn’t even get high i guess, what a waste). I was told that “if you believe this determination was made in our error you mat submit a written request for reconsideration.” I wrote a letter debunking all the rest and said the pot purely experimental and that was something that wont happen again and since then everything else has been completed. That letter was written before I sent in my paperwork, before the oral interview, and before the physical. So I must believe that it was acceptable. I haven’t received any thing but congratulations you have passed ‘x’ requirement. All I can do is wait Its better to tell the truth and fail then be labeled a liar. Drugs are bad, mmmk ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/64 "2009-03-25T21:16:54Z")
> [@Wookie](#): > > The guy in the car was completely wrong. The bp agents have the right to pull him to the side for questioning, not a search. If the questioning provides pc for a search, only then can they search the vehicle. He flatly refused to comply with anything the bp agents said, and managed to be a complete dick about it too. I wish they would have put him under arrest and read him the rights that he really has. No, he wasn’t. Yes, they can pull him over if he’s committed some violation or otherwise drawn suspicion on him. They cannot search his vehicle without a warrant or his permission unless there is illegal material in plain sight upon his appraisal of the situation. If they do search the vehicle regardless, the evidence cannot be admitted into a court of law, and the officer may be terminated. > [@sedlmeier101](#): > > I would NEVER fuck with ANY customs/BP agent. They have a fucking tough job, and they do their jobs very well and they deal with A LOT of scum. > I have ut-most respect for them and I think the guy in the vid was being a douchey Yeah, the guy in the video was being a douche alright. The Border Patrol agent. I have a friend in the Border Patrol. I respect the need to keep our borders secure to the point where we know who and what is entering our country. This does not grant them carte blanche to randomly search people inside the territory of the United States. > [@deebo](#): > > but really… they can search your vehicle no matter what when being pulley over > > usually they do not care enough, unless you do something to make them care Uh, yeah, I guess they can, in that they have a gun and can physically overcome you. However, people have successfully defended themselves for assaulting police officers when those police officers were conducting an illegal search and the individual felt their constitutional rights were being violated. I’m not saying that’s justified, but an officer has no right to detain, search, or otherwise utilize their force of law without probable cause, and I fucking respect this guy for fighting one small fight for individual liberty. > [@Penfold](#): > > what was the lawful order he didn’t comply with? (I didn’t watch all the video) 20 minutes in, he refuses to present his drivers license, I guess. They’re saying “we suspect you because you’re interfering with a federal investigation… because you will not cooperate.” That is, we’re suspicious of you because you’re so adamently defending your rights. > [@deebo](#): > > i have nothing to hide, search my car all you want, and it;s stripped interior, not like theyll ruin anything lol Yeah, you’re free to give up your rights, but I wouldn’t personally. A person is not an asshole for standing up for their basic Constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![DeusExMachina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deusexmachina/32/5036_2.png) [@DeusExMachina](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeusExMachina)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/65 "2009-03-25T22:35:31Z")
> [@deebo](#): > > actually it is legal, because u were doing something illegal > SPEEDING > > He cannot randomly pull you over and do a search You’re an idiot. You can’t be searched because you were speeding. They need probable cause to search your vehicle, otherwise they need your permission, which you should NEVER give. > [@travisn](#): > > Unless you graduated from hs last summer I doubt they will contact the school. but who knows right? > > I applied at a open interview thing on one of their computers and two weeks after taking the test I got a letter saying I said I did all these bad things, like I have been convicted of a felony, drug charges, violating immigration/customs laws, etc. There were eight things listed. I have tried pot twice in my life summer of 07 (didn’t even get high i guess, what a waste). I was told that “if you believe this determination was made in our error you mat submit a written request for reconsideration.” I wrote a letter debunking all the rest and said the pot purely experimental and that was something that wont happen again and since then everything else has been completed. That letter was written before I sent in my paperwork, before the oral interview, and before the physical. So I must believe that it was acceptable. I haven’t received any thing but congratulations you have passed ‘x’ requirement. All I can do is wait > > Its better to tell the truth and fail then be labeled a liar. > > Drugs are bad, mmmk Obviously they made an error, or someone with a similar name as you has a very long record. Why even tell them about trying pot twice? Thats stupid. Thats like telling them you used narcotics when you took Vicodin after surgery. ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/66 "2009-03-25T22:40:42Z")
Idk, it didn’t feel right saying never. I am a very bad liar. Its just not worth it. If its petty enough it won’t matter, which I believe is the case here. And vicodin after surgery is not illegal, its prescribed… now selling or giving away said vicodin, that’s a different story. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/67 "2009-03-26T00:03:58Z")
> [@deebo](#): > > actually it is legal, because u were doing something illegal > SPEEDING > > He cannot randomly pull you over and do a search there is so much wrong with what u just said, but its not ur fault, u are lead to believe this is the case. if you are pulled over for speeding which is a violation, and you have no warrants and you have no commited a misdemeanor, he cannot search your car unless he has probable cause or something is in plain view. ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/68 "2009-03-26T05:20:27Z")
> [@sedlmeier101](#): > > took mine yesterday…95 🙂 since when do you get results next day… ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/69 "2009-03-26T05:20:53Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > there is so much wrong with what u just said, but its not ur fault, u are lead to believe this is the case. if you are pulled over for speeding which is a violation, and you have no warrants and you have no commited a misdemeanor, he cannot search your car unless he has probable cause or something is in plain view. Yep. But deebo, if you’d like to keep talking out your ass, please, by all means, continue. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/70 "2009-03-26T05:28:35Z")
> [@Moruitelda](#): > > Yep. But deebo, if you’d like to keep talking out your ass, please, by all means, continue. but thats why the dogs suck. kuz they can bring a dog in and if he picks up a “scent” that gives them probable cause, not reasonable suspicion but actual probable cause which i think is bullshit but whatever ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/71 "2009-03-26T05:44:42Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > but thats why the dogs suck. kuz they can bring a dog in and if he picks up a “scent” that gives them probable cause, not reasonable suspicion but actual probable cause which i think is bullshit but whatever True. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/72 "2009-03-26T05:48:31Z")
I’m surprised that “search this thread” doesn’t yield more results with the query “boarder” ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/73 "2009-03-26T05:49:02Z")
> [@newman](#): > > I’m surprised that > “search this thread” > doesn’t yield more results with the query > “boarder” :lol: ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/74 "2009-03-26T07:12:34Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > since when do you get results next day… With the accelerated session we got our results fifteen minutes after taking the test… Edit: I got a 93 ---
**Author:** ![99Civic-EX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/f0a364/32.png) [@99Civic-EX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99Civic-EX)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/75 "2009-03-26T07:24:23Z")
When i was living in arizona they had checkpoints on the highway that wasnt close to the border either. Everytime I would go through it the BP would ask to roll down all the windows, bring the dogs around and in some cases open up the doors to look inside my truck without asking permission. I cant see the video because it says its unavailable now, but maybe where the checkpoint was, it was an area where alot of illegals come through. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/76 "2009-03-26T07:26:29Z")
That pisses me off. There is absolutely no justification for activity like that in America. > [@Benjamin Franklin](#): > > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ---
**Author:** ![DeusExMachina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deusexmachina/32/5036_2.png) [@DeusExMachina](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeusExMachina)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/77 "2009-03-26T08:29:31Z")
> [@travisn](#): > > Idk, it didn’t feel right saying never. I am a very bad liar. Its just not worth it. If its petty enough it won’t matter, which I believe is the case here. > > And vicodin after surgery is not illegal, its prescribed… now selling or giving away said vicodin, that’s a different story. A lot of government checks ask “Have you ever taken a narcotic?” So technically, if you have taken perscribed Vicodin, you have taken a narcotic. Do you answer yes? ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/78 "2009-03-26T08:48:22Z")
Sorry i should have been more clear. If you get pulled over for speeding, they will probably ask if u have been drinking (if its night, maybe even afternoon :lol: this happened to me) They will ask you retarded questions, that do not make sense, because they ask them backwards/not like a normal phrased question, designed to confuse someone under the influence if you struggle at all with the questions, they have “reason to believe” you have been drinking, which is probably cause, which is enough for them to search your car even if you’re as sober as a nun on easter sunday it’s not right, but guess what. they can get away with it which is what i was saying, which was misinterpreted. ---
**Author:** ![DeusExMachina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deusexmachina/32/5036_2.png) [@DeusExMachina](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeusExMachina)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/79 "2009-03-26T09:32:26Z")
> [@deebo](#): > > Sorry i should have been more clear. > If you get pulled over for speeding, they will probably ask if u have been drinking (if its night, maybe even afternoon :lol: this happened to me) > They will ask you retarded questions, that do not make sense, because they ask them backwards/not like a normal phrased question, designed to confuse someone under the influence > > if you struggle at all with the questions, they have “reason to believe” you have been drinking, which is probably cause, which is enough for them to search your car > > even if you’re as sober as a nun on easter sunday > > it’s not right, but guess what. they can get away with it > > which is what i was saying, which was misinterpreted. Uh, probable cause for what? They’re going to search your car for hidden alcohol or something? Are you fucking high right now? Probable cause is if there is suspicion of having an illegal weapon or substance in the vehicle. Alcohol is not an illegal substance. A police officer has no right to search your vehicle because they suspect you’ve been drinking. Thats fucking ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105/80 "2009-03-26T09:45:22Z")
> [@deebo](#): > > Sorry i should have been more clear. > If you get pulled over for speeding, they will probably ask if u have been drinking (if its night, maybe even afternoon :lol: this happened to me) > They will ask you retarded questions, that do not make sense, because they ask them backwards/not like a normal phrased question, designed to confuse someone under the influence > > if you struggle at all with the questions, they have “reason to believe” you have been drinking, which is probably cause, which is enough for them to search your car > > even if you’re as sober as a nun on easter sunday > > it’s not right, but guess what. they can get away with it > > which is what i was saying, which was misinterpreted. Where do you get this shit? Do you make it up? (You’re wrong.) Yes, they have probable cause to detain you if you appear to be drunk. No, they don’t have probable cause to search your vehicle - because the crime that they suspect you to have committed has no definite relation to what you might have in your car. They can’t search your car under those circumstances any more than they could search your house. Now, if you have a baggy of oregano sitting in your cupholder, and they see that, now they have probable cause to believe that you’re in possesson of illegal drugs, and can search your car, because it is in plain view. They can’t get away with it. If they pull you over, ask you if you’ve been drinking, no matter what you answer, they cannot search your vehicle without your consent or a warrant. They can detain you on the side of the road until they get a canine unit in, and use that for probable cause. They can detain you until they get a search warrant. They can ask you if they can search your car. But if they search your car and find something, it’s inadmissible as evidence in a court of law. And whether or not they find something, you can sue, and the officer will probably lose their job. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-is-defiant-at-a-border-patrol-checkpoint/65105.md?page=5)