# Man open fires at Empire state building. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [August 24, 2012, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846 "2012-08-24T07:40:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/1 "2012-08-24T07:40:51Z")
> **[Police kill gunman in shooting outside Empire State Building](http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/24/shooting-reported-outside-empire-state-building/)** > > Read the full story and developments in the investigation on CNN.com. For local coverage, visit WPIX, WCBS and NY1. > Scroll down to catch up on the events as they unfolded. > > \[Updated at 3:19 p.m. ---
**Author:** ![xreaction](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xreaction/32/6409_2.png) [@xreaction](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/xreaction)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/2 "2012-08-24T07:43:50Z")
In b4 vlad’s gun control lectures & analogy ---
**Author:** ![adamea1635](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@adamea1635](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/adamea1635)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/3 "2012-08-24T07:53:20Z")
> [@You don't "need" a cold air intake](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-dont-need-a-cold-air-intake/50543/34): > > In b4 vlad’s gun control lectures & analogy LOL work related incident from initial report. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/4 "2012-08-24T08:35:13Z")
Yep. Disgruntled former employee shot another in the head, then leaving two cops approached him and he pulled out a handgun and they had a little shoot out. Some civilians were shot by the cops, some were shot by the gunman. ---
**Author:** ![Boost\_Creep](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boost_creep/32/6366_2.png) [@Boost\_Creep](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boost_Creep)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/5 "2012-08-24T11:27:21Z")
> [@You don't "need" a cold air intake](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-dont-need-a-cold-air-intake/50543/34): > > In b4 vlad’s gun control lectures & analogy :rofl ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/6 "2012-08-24T11:29:54Z")
Also to note: He was using a 1911 with an 8rd mag. Three rounds were used on his boss. So at best, he shot six of the ten people. ---
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/7 "2012-08-24T14:58:59Z")
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**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/8 "2012-08-24T17:16:20Z")
> [@You don't "need" a cold air intake](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-dont-need-a-cold-air-intake/50543/34): > > In b4 vlad’s gun control lectures & analogy :number1 :rofl > Two New York City cops shot ten people outside the Empire State Building this morning. One of them was Jeffrey Johnson, a laid-off accessories designer who allegedly killed his former boss with a handgun. Johnson apparently pointed (but didn’t fire) his gun at police; the officers opened fire, killing Johnson and shooting or grazing nine other people. Again, Johnson shot only his intended victim. All of the bystanders were hit or grazed by police bullets. :Idiots ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/9 "2012-08-24T17:56:35Z")
NYC cops are a seemingly terrible shot. ---
**Author:** ![Phate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Phate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Phate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/10 "2012-08-24T21:47:20Z")
> [@NYS Tax Dollars at Work Yet Again](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nys-tax-dollars-at-work-yet-again/50591/8): > > **cops** are a seemingly terrible shot. Also accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Yetti\_VR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yetti_vr/32/6357_2.png) [@Yetti\_VR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Yetti_VR)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/11 "2012-08-24T22:51:24Z")
Seriously wtf someone take the guns away from the cops they’re dangerous ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/12 "2012-08-25T03:25:50Z")
> [@First day trying stand ups (Lots of pics)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/first-day-trying-stand-ups-lots-of-pics/50581/42): > > Seriously wtf someone take the guns away from the cops they’re dangerous We need more conceal carry super heroes with one shot head shots on the streets :number1 ---
**Author:** ![usmc2801](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/usmc2801/32/6387_2.png) [@usmc2801](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/usmc2801)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/13 "2012-08-25T05:04:00Z")
OK now I am in no way siding with the cops on there lack of accuracy with shooting, however I will give them the benefit of the doubt they did the right thing. Keep in mind how many police officers there are in the NYPD force and how many have EVER fired a weapon on duty. At first I was thinking, damn these guys need target practice, even posted that as my FB status, then I realized it’s not that simple. How many of you so called shooting experts were firing down range with a gun pulled on you and bullets flying past you? THAT makes a world of difference when it comes to hitting your target (and yes I know exactly what that is like). ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/14 "2012-08-25T05:12:59Z")
> [@First day trying stand ups (Lots of pics)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/first-day-trying-stand-ups-lots-of-pics/50581/45): > > OK now I am in no way siding with the cops on there lack of accuracy with shooting, however I will give them the benefit of the doubt they did the right thing. Keep in mind how many police officers there are in the NYPD force and how many have EVER fired a weapon on duty. At first I was thinking, damn these guys need target practice, even posted that as my FB status, then I realized it’s not that simple. How many of you so called shooting experts were firing down range with a gun pulled on you and bullets flying past you? THAT makes a world of difference when it comes to hitting your target (and yes I know exactly what that is like). Get out of here with your logic :ahh Trying to bring up “duress” and the fact that it needs to be constantly trained for, as gun trainers all agree doesn’t agree with the holywood standard of good guys landing every shot one handing while rolling around. There is a video out of the incident too. Cops were firing at an extremely close range too. Many of the other injuries could be from ricochet too, although not sure how hollow points do in ricochet type situations. Last I heard none of the other people were seriously hurt. ---
**Author:** ![v8lonoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/45deac/32.png) [@v8lonoma](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/v8lonoma)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/15 "2012-08-25T05:16:16Z")
> [@First day trying stand ups (Lots of pics)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/first-day-trying-stand-ups-lots-of-pics/50581/45): > > How many of you so called shooting experts were firing down range with a gun pulled on you and bullets flying past you? THAT makes a world of difference when it comes to hitting your target (and yes I know exactly what that is like). agreed, but iirc in this case the cops didnt have bullets flying past you as the guy never shot at them only pointed his gun at them. either way, the adrenaline thats going on it dont matter how tight you group at the range with your hearing protection and what not, totally different and anyone who thinks other wise is a clown. way different from shooting at the range or qualifiying than on the street were a gun is being pointed at your, or you being shot at, or knowing he already killed someone and could kill more. ---
**Author:** ![usmc2801](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/usmc2801/32/6387_2.png) [@usmc2801](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/usmc2801)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/16 "2012-08-25T05:17:33Z")
> [@What should I do about this (cop sh\*t)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-should-i-do-about-this-cop-sh-t/49873/42): > > Get out of here with your logic :ahh > > Trying to bring up “duress” and the fact that it needs to be constantly trained for, as gun trainers all agree doesn’t agree with the holywood standard of good guys landing every shot one handing while rolling around. > > There is a video out of the incident too. Cops were firing at an extremely close range too. > > Many of the other injuries could be from ricochet too, although not sure how hollow points do in ricochet type situations. Last I heard none of the other people were seriously hurt. Sorry for thinking on the realistic side of things…:ahh Well keep in mind it was in front of the tourist entrance, ricochet or not missing by an inch or a foot there is a damn good chance someone is getting hit with that bullet! ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/17 "2012-08-25T05:24:40Z")
Vlad: Hollowpoint bullets typically will not ricochet much, if at all. For example when they do steel challenge shooting, everyone must use HP bullets as they’re the safest from ricochet. ---
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/18 "2012-08-25T07:11:43Z")
Have you ever seen NYC cops? I’ve seen everything from 4"8 Asian men sleeping in cop cars drooling with Mcdonalds bags on their laps to maybe 20 year old black girls from the ghetto with a huge weave wound up and the officer hat on top of it. I really think anyone can be a cop there. I wouldnt feel like calling them in need lol. ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/19 "2012-08-25T09:57:44Z")
Not a sharp shooting expert, I just play one here. IMO, if you can’t shoot and hit any part of a target the size of a human being from a distance of essentially the width of a parking space (9~10 ft) with 100% accuracy, you should not be a cop and/or have a gun. I propose those should be equipped with nunchucks instead and must wear a ninja suit as uniform. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/man-open-fires-at-empire-state-building/264846/20 "2012-08-25T14:16:28Z")
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