# May '08 European Car Mag: Top 10 Sleepers **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 11, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988 "2008-03-11T05:56:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jtviggen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jtviggen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jtviggen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/1 "2008-03-11T05:56:49Z")
**May '08 European Car Mag** : Top 10 Sleepers one of the 10 Saab 9-3 Viggen ![http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q38/dcb678/EC-art.jpg](http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q38/dcb678/EC-art.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/2 "2008-03-11T06:09:24Z")
![http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/Jellis0fme/attachment.jpg](http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/Jellis0fme/attachment.jpg) that is all :devillook ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/3 "2008-03-11T06:21:55Z")
Where’s the rest of them? :confused ---
**Author:** ![jtviggen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jtviggen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jtviggen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/4 "2008-03-11T09:51:34Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > Where’s the rest of them? :confused in the magazine of course ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/5 "2008-03-11T11:29:37Z")
is the RS4/RS6 avant in there? ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/6 "2008-03-11T11:33:06Z")
Since when is a car that does 0-60 in the mid 6 second range a sleeper? Oh shit its in a magazine it MUST be true ![http://www.unsoughtinput.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/gra_bdoctor.jpg](http://www.unsoughtinput.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/gra_bdoctor.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/7 "2008-03-11T11:44:56Z")
> [@timmay](#): > > Since when is a car that does 0-60 in the mid 6 second range a sleeper? uhhh… cuz it looks slow ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/8 "2008-03-11T12:39:48Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > uhhh… cuz it looks slow I’m not one to preach specs, but a car that runs at 15.0 1/4 mile is slow by todays standards. ---
**Author:** ![Criscone24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Criscone24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Criscone24)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/9 "2008-03-11T12:46:04Z")
a car that runs 15 flat for bone stock is very decent. a 24v vr6 spd barely does that, 1.8t’s barely do that as well. Whats the new mustang GT run, 14.7? I think its respectable, and they did say “sleeper”. You see an STi/EVO/any SRT model and you know its got balls…I see a saab and i think oh great another ugly turbo’d saab…Then again what do i know i drive a 20sec jetta, 0-60 in probally 15 seconds ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/10 "2008-03-11T12:51:03Z")
> [@timmay](#): > > I’m not one to preach specs, but a car that runs at 15.0 1/4 mile is slow by todays standards. well if the car looks like it runs 18 then thats one hell of a sleeper ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/11 "2008-03-11T12:58:59Z")
> [@Criscone24](#): > > a car that runs 15 flat for bone stock is very decent. a 24v vr6 spd barely does that, 1.8t’s barely do that as well. Whats the new mustang GT run, 14.7? I think its respectable, and they did say “sleeper”. You see an STi/EVO/any SRT model and you know its got balls…I see a saab and i think oh great another ugly turbo’d saab…Then again what do i know i drive a 20sec jetta, 0-60 in probally 15 seconds New Mustang GT’s run high-13’s out of the box, like I said by todays standards its not fast. My 07 Infiniti ran high-13’s stock and it looked like a normal car to 98% of the population and I didn’t think it was a sleeper. ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/12 "2008-03-11T13:03:00Z")
My girls 95 sunfire, is a sleeper, is sooo fast for that .4L …SIKE! but seriously, just because people get a civic and put on a intake, or for that matter any car, they think its fast. Sleeper are best described as a normal looking car with a high output. …like joeys car on full nos… :lol ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/13 "2008-03-11T13:04:20Z")
> [@timmay](#): > > New Mustang GT’s run high-13’s out of the box, like I said by todays standards its not fast. My 07 Infiniti ran high-13’s stock and it looked like a normal car to 98% of the population and I didn’t think it was a sleeper. a g35 is not a sleeper since it’s marketed as a sports sedan and everyone knows they are reasonably quick. being a sleeper and a fast car are completely different. I don’t think the viggen specs make it fast at all. A sleeper? sure, why not. ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/14 "2008-03-11T13:06:02Z")
+1 just a lil heavyer than the 350 but still as fast with same motor ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/15 "2008-03-11T13:16:52Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > a g35 is not a sleeper since it’s marketed as a sports sedan and everyone knows they are reasonably quick. > > being a sleeper and a fast car are completely different. I don’t think the viggen specs make it fast at all. A sleeper? sure, why not. Using your logic the Viggen is marketed as a sports saab so it wouldn’t be a sleeper either. There is not an enthusiast out there who is into cars that doesn’t know what a Viggen is. Why not? Because its not fast. How can a car be slow and a sleeper? I guess that means everyone’s winter beaters are sleepers, in fact all cars that don’t look fast would qualify. I also clearly said the infiniti was NOT a sleeper, but still considerably faster then the “sleeper” we are discussing. ---
**Author:** ![Criscone24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Criscone24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Criscone24)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/16 "2008-03-11T13:26:32Z")
oh wow i didnt know the new mustangs ran high 13s, i was always told they ran best at mid 14s. This explains why that mustang gt was roughly 1.5 cars behind my dad when his car was bone stock (06 300c srt8, 13.4@106 stock) I just thought my dad was having a bad day ha. Personally a sleeper is that civic in the budget build. Everything hidden, to the untrained eye even w. the hood popped you have no idea its turbo. ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/17 "2008-03-11T17:42:06Z")
probably more than half the people on this forum or in the car modding hobby has a car that wasnt a 15 second car stock so I can say that 14.5 is reasonably quick and would rival a 350Z/G35 or a Mustang GT with a little modding. Sleeper? I say yes ---
**Author:** ![\_Mean318](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/48db29/32.png) [@\_Mean318](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_Mean318)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/18 "2008-03-11T18:14:33Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#): > > ![http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/Jellis0fme/attachment.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/c/2/c2fb041d72f788e3e06b8bc302adc0b30acf471d.jpeg) > > that is all ^ bump ;D ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/19 "2008-03-12T04:46:17Z")
> [@timmay](#): > > Using your logic the Viggen is marketed as a sports saab so it wouldn’t be a sleeper either. There is not an enthusiast out there who is into cars that doesn’t know what a Viggen is. > > Why not? Because its not fast. How can a car be slow and a sleeper? I guess that means everyone’s winter beaters are sleepers, in fact all cars that don’t look fast would qualify. > > I also clearly said the infiniti was NOT a sleeper, but still considerably faster then the “sleeper” we are discussing. umm… I’ve been a car lover and in “the scene” (whatever that means) for over 5 years and I never heard of a viggen until I got on here. with your logic, a sleeper has to be fast, which is completely false. It just has to be faster than it looks. To the untrained eye, the viggen looks like a normal Saab. And if normal saabs run 18 second 1/4s than this similar looking saab is DEF a sleeper. All a sleeper has to do is be much faster than it looks. Sleepers do not have to fall under a certain time to be considered a sleeper. I do agree that the viggen shouldn’t be the #1 sleeper. Hell, if I made a top ten list, it woudn’t even be on it. wow… I’m tired of saying “sleeper” ---
**Author:** ![jtviggen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jtviggen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jtviggen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/20 "2008-03-12T04:57:46Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > umm… I’ve been a car lover and in “the scene” (whatever that means) for over 5 years and I never heard of a viggen until I got on here. > > with your logic, a sleeper has to be fast, which is completely false. It just has to be faster than it looks. To the untrained eye, the viggen looks like a normal Saab. And if normal saabs run 18 second 1/4s than this similar looking saab is DEF a sleeper. All a sleeper has to do is be much faster than it looks. Sleepers do not have to fall under a certain time to be considered a sleeper. > > I do agree that the viggen shouldn’t be the #1 sleeper. Hell, if I made a top ten list, it woudn’t even be on it. > > wow… I’m tired of saying “sleeper” its not number 1 its in theh “ **top 10** ” [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988.md?page=2)