# May '08 European Car Mag: Top 10 Sleepers **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 11, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988 "2008-03-11T05:56:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/21 "2008-03-12T05:10:23Z")
ohhh oops… argument still stands though ---
**Author:** ![jtviggen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jtviggen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jtviggen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/22 "2008-03-12T05:47:13Z")
here are the vig’s specs: [http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/models/2000/ts93v.html](http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/models/2000/ts93v.html) ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/23 "2008-03-12T08:57:27Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > umm… I’ve been a car lover and in “the scene” (whatever that means) for over 5 years and I never heard of a viggen until I got on here. > > with your logic, a sleeper has to be fast, which is completely false. It just has to be faster than it looks. To the untrained eye, the viggen looks like a normal Saab. And if normal saabs run 18 second 1/4s than this similar looking saab is DEF a sleeper. All a sleeper has to do is be much faster than it looks. Sleepers do not have to fall under a certain time to be considered a sleeper. > > I do agree that the viggen shouldn’t be the #1 sleeper. Hell, if I made a top ten list, it woudn’t even be on it. > > wow… I’m tired of saying “sleeper” I think we can put this one to bed :deadhorse ---
**Author:** ![OhNoPOPO](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ohnopopo/32/6344_2.png) [@OhNoPOPO](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OhNoPOPO)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/24 "2008-03-12T09:59:57Z")
ha ha I’m with benny and kosta on this one ---
**Author:** ![Boosted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Boosted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boosted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/25 "2008-03-12T10:05:44Z")
Since in stock form the Viggen is only slightly faster than a 9-3 SE/Base model but the Viggen has a full body kit, wouldn’t the 9-3SE/Base be a bigger “sleeper”? ;D ---
**Author:** ![OhNoPOPO](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ohnopopo/32/6344_2.png) [@OhNoPOPO](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OhNoPOPO)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/26 "2008-03-12T10:14:16Z")
> [@Boosted](#): > > Since in stock form the Viggen is only slightly faster than a 9-3 SE/Base model but the Viggen has a full body kit, wouldn’t the 9-3SE/Base be a bigger “sleeper”? ;D good point . . . in my mind a sleeper would be something that from appearance wouldnt be fast be actually is… the viggen was marketed as a sports car there for in saabs industry it would not be considered a sleeper and I don’t think it should be on the list ---
**Author:** ![Fn\_Skanks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fn_skanks/32/6308_2.png) [@Fn\_Skanks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fn_Skanks)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/27 "2008-03-13T00:23:06Z")
> [@luvin2speed](#): > > ha ha I’m with benny and kosta on this one me four!!! :ninja ---
**Author:** ![That\_Blue\_DA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@That\_Blue\_DA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/That_Blue_DA)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/28 "2008-03-13T00:44:23Z")
> [@Hooked on 240](#): > > My girls 95 sunfire, is a sleeper, is sooo fast for that .4L …SIKE! > > but seriously, just because people get a civic and put on a intake, or for that matter any car, they think its fast. Sleeper are best described as a normal looking car with a high output. …like joeys car on full nos… :lol I don’t get why you guys think his car could possibly be a “sleeper” it says civic type s and ivtec stickers on the side… ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/29 "2008-03-13T06:56:05Z")
![http://cdn-www.rsportscars.com/images/audi/2004-audi-rs6-plus/rs6plus04_01.jpg](http://cdn-www.rsportscars.com/images/audi/2004-audi-rs6-plus/rs6plus04_01.jpg) that looks like something your mom would drive to price chopper, but goes goes 0-60 in under 5 seconds, it doesnt have a body kit or anything fancy looking other than HID headlights ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/30 "2008-03-13T07:43:37Z")
Now that, is a sleeper :nod ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/31 "2008-03-13T09:26:33Z")
> [@That Blue DA](#): > > I don’t get why you guys think his car could possibly be a “sleeper” it says civic type s and ivtec stickers on the side… because no one outside of the honda tuning world would know what that signifies…if i saw his car not knowing him or it already my first thought would be ‘look at this fuckin retard, got ahold of some rsx badges and slapped em on his eg, what a noob ::)’ and then i’d proceed to get my ass handed to me. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/32 "2008-03-13T09:30:17Z")
THIS is a sleeper: [http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e3da15e9-fc26-408c-a714-ad318845ffb1.htm](http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e3da15e9-fc26-408c-a714-ad318845ffb1.htm) 195 mph: [http://videos.streetfire.net/video/71f58233-dfd8-4770-b312-983c01849fac.htm](http://videos.streetfire.net/video/71f58233-dfd8-4770-b312-983c01849fac.htm) you couldnt PAY me enough to do 195mph in a fucking colt :rofl ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/33 "2008-03-13T09:32:28Z")
Yeah, the i-vtec stickers could easily be excused by saying…" oh they were free so i threw them on", and the civic type-s…no one asks, they look and do this :haha and at the JVG meet in November someone, i dont remember who, said he thought it just said “vtec DOHC” no one can say my car isn’t a sleeper, it’s a 4 door w/ rims, a lip and HIDs :rofl ---
**Author:** ![That\_Blue\_DA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@That\_Blue\_DA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/That_Blue_DA)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/34 "2008-03-13T09:49:47Z")
> [@K-20power](#): > > Yeah, the i-vtec stickers could easily be excused by saying…" oh they were free so i threw them on", and the civic type-s…no one asks, they look and do this :haha > > and at the JVG meet in November someone, i dont remember who, said he thought it just said “vtec DOHC” > > no one can say my car isn’t a sleeper, it’s a 4 door w/ rims, a lip and HIDs :rofl haha yeah :lol ---
**Author:** ![jtviggen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jtviggen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jtviggen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/35 "2008-03-13T09:56:08Z")
> [@K-20power](#): > > Yeah, the i-vtec stickers could easily be excused by saying…" oh they were free so i threw them on", and the civic type-s…no one asks, they look and do this :haha > > and at the JVG meet in November someone, i dont remember who, said he thought it just said “vtec DOHC” > > no one can say my car isn’t a sleeper, it’s a 4 door w/ rims, a lip and HIDs :rofl +cheater’s hp ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/36 "2008-03-13T09:58:27Z")
> [@jtviggen](#): > > +cheater’s hp If it was cheating it wouldn’t be fucking sold widely and used when people race, if it’s cheating, it’s ‘forced induction’, then fucking turbos and superchargers are cheating. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/37 "2008-03-13T10:07:58Z")
people only call it cheating because you can do the same thing with a $1k nitrous setup that you can with a $6k turbo kit turbo’s still way cooler imo, but both work pretty fuckin good :rofl ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/38 "2008-03-13T10:44:47Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#): > > people only call it cheating because you can do the same thing with a $1k nitrous setup that you can with a $6k turbo kit > > turbo’s still way cooler imo, but both work pretty fuckin good :rofl you dont have to keep refilling tubos, start the motor and theyre moving ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/39 "2008-03-13T10:46:24Z")
turbo\>n20 but its definitly not “cheating” ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988/40 "2008-03-13T11:09:01Z")
> [@votblindub](#): > > you dont have to keep refilling tubos, start the motor and theyre moving So? the price it costs to fill nitrous is less than a turbo, same effects of a turbo, and who cares if the nitrous isn’t always on? use it when needed. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/may-08-european-car-mag-top-10-sleepers/235988.md?page=3)