# McCain Fans: IN **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 6, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778 "2008-09-06T22:16:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/41 "2008-09-07T18:03:56Z")
> [@EJ257FTW](#): > > if the government TRULY wanted to fix the national debt they would stop spending frivolously on healthcare for illegal immigrants, and welfare for repeat offenders… thats just assinine. kick the fucking illegals out, dont harbor them, limit welfare allocations, and start to reap the benefits. I like neither of the candidates and have my choices mixed between the two, but holy crap I think this is the smartest thing I’ve heard anyone say/post in quite a long time here. ---
**Author:** ![Celtic1982citleC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/celtic1982citlec/32/6323_2.png) [@Celtic1982citleC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Celtic1982citleC)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/42 "2008-09-07T18:08:36Z")
> [@Neo187H](#): > > No one has brought up the fact that Obama belonged to an anti-semantic church for how long? 20 years? And attended regularly? The preacher of said church denounces the US as a whole, no one sees issue with that? Or are they just happy he just denounced it and said he doesn’t believe what the pastor says… after attending for most of his life. > > _Some of the above information may be slightly inaccurate but I tried_ It’s actually quite inaccurate. He was and is a member of Trinity Church which is an all black church which is very much involved in the african american community. They do not denounce the US in any way. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17701499/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17701499/) There’s a quick snippett of why his religious values were actually in the news. You can also visit the church’s website through that link and read about it for yourself. As the church is located in an african american community, and advocates strong african american values…I don’t see a problem? ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/43 "2008-09-07T18:12:44Z")
> [@Celtic1982citleC](#): > > Gun control? You’re basing your vote on “gun control” Travis? Do you even own a gun? I have no idea if you do or don’t…but one issue seems pretty closed minded to base that off. By saying you want McCain in office you’re saying you want to continue waging war in the middle east, continue wasting BILLIONS of our dollars on a war over OIL…not weapons of mass destruction or terrorism. What has spending all of this money done? Driven our fuel prices sky high as the $ per barrel of oil has hit all time highs within the past 6 months. You say McCain has experience, but what do you think of the decisions he’s made in his tenure? Have you even read some of the legislation that he’s passed? Do you know why he chose her as a VP? His PR team knew he needed something to combat the race of Obama, so they went with the gender card…hoping to appeal to women whom may have backed Clinton in the Democratic Primaries to sway to vote McCain. I’m a registered Republican, but I’m not blind. Our contry is in the worst state it’s EVER been in. The past 8 years the unemployment % has risen to over SIX percent. Do you know how high 6% is? It’s a HUGE amount of people. You being one of them off and on over the past year should very much care about the economy and job market which has been hammered into the ground by the Bush administration. I could keep going but I’ll wait for more responses before I go nuts. +1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 Making a decision based on gun control is about as retarded as the old people making it based on what their medicare insurance copay would be. We have some serious issues right now that should be at the forefront of any voter’s mind. To me, this includes the Iraq War, our shitty foreign relations, terrorism, rising consumer goods, staggering oil costs, the environment (GWB did dick for it), taxes, shitty education, rising health care costs, etc… I also find it funny that Travis mentions the Constitution and Gun Control but not how GWB completely trampled the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Neo187H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@Neo187H](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Neo187H)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/44 "2008-09-07T18:17:18Z")
> [@Celtic1982citleC](#): > > It’s actually quite inaccurate. He was and is a member of Trinity Church which is an all black church which is very much involved in the african american community. They do not denounce the US in any way. > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17701499/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17701499/) > There’s a quick snippett of why his religious values were actually in the news. You can also visit the church’s website through that link and read about it for yourself. As the church is located in an african american community, and advocates strong african american values…I don’t see a problem? I may have been misinformed than, all I have heard on it is how this pastor was a huge anti-semantic preacher. Not trying to start a fight just figured I would throw in another perspective on the situation. Its not like I’m all that excited about McCain either ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/45 "2008-09-07T18:19:28Z")
> [@Neo187H](#): > > I may have been misinformed than, all I have heard on it is how this pastor was a huge anti-semantic preacher. Not trying to start a fight just figured I would throw in another perspective on the situation. Its not like I’m all that excited about McCain either I “heard” that as well but the source was shady. The problem is the misinformation and bias from the media that makes it different to keep up with reality. ---
**Author:** ![Neo187H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@Neo187H](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Neo187H)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/46 "2008-09-07T18:45:42Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > I “heard” that as well but the source was shady. > > The problem is the misinformation and bias from the media that makes it different to keep up with reality. No surprise there, if I was more interested in it I’m sure I could have found the whole truth on my own but at this point I’m your average disillusioned American young person. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/47 "2008-09-07T18:46:29Z")
> [@Neo187H](#): > > No surprise there, if I was more interested in it I’m sure I could have found the whole truth on my own but at this point I’m your average disillusioned American young person. No, you are not which is refreshing but I think we are all fed a lot of bullshit to really have an accurate view. ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast/32/6281_2.png) [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/48 "2008-09-07T18:52:39Z")
> [@Boxersix](#): > > I like neither of the candidates and have my choices mixed between the two, but holy crap I think this is the smartest thing I’ve heard anyone say/post in quite a long time here. thank you sir. ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/49 "2008-09-08T04:13:57Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > The education and decision on this forum is amazing. > > “I am voting McCain. That is all”. :lol I just stated who I’ll vote for. I can’t stand getting in heated debates over political topics like this, it aggravates the shit out of me. But I’ll say this, people think that a president can immediately change how our country runs within their 4 year term, but IMO it takes much longer. So I think people should look long term at the effects that some of these politicians want to make “change” in and realize that by “bandaiding” all these problems they are just creating short term solutions that will will bite us all later on. I also think our country should be self sufficient so we can control our own future and not stake it on some shit ass country on the other side of the world. ---
**Author:** ![Code\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/50 "2008-09-08T05:32:10Z")
two things popped out at me while reading this thread travis. A. you want less gun control but same regime? do you remember how much it cost filling up the sti?how about the difference when you were filling up the focus? you can have as many guns as you want if it continues, your not going to be able to afford to leave your house tho… B. Obama says he wants to do all of these things for gun control… but we forget a president cannot simply make or change the rules on his own. still has to pass the other hands of government. Has anyone ever known a former pow, and known them to be of sound mental stability? I’ve known probably ~20-25 through my life. the longest any of them were held captive was 11 months… McCain was a POW for 6 YEARS. Think about it people. 6 fucking years of torture and abuse, and I’m not talking about the piddly shit feces throwing dog humping antics that go on at Guantanamo Bay, we are talking about the North Vietnamese during Vietnam… serious fucking shit. ---
**Author:** ![waltbabyluv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/waltbabyluv/32/6300_2.png) [@waltbabyluv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/waltbabyluv)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/51 "2008-09-08T06:20:40Z")
> [@Neo187H](#): > > I may have been misinformed than, all I have heard on it is how this pastor was a huge anti-semantic preacher. Not trying to start a fight just figured I would throw in another perspective on the situation. Its not like I’m all that excited about McCain either I wouldnt say he was a anti semite, id definitely say he has a problem with white people though, which i have a problem with ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/52 "2008-09-08T07:25:15Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > No, you are not which is refreshing but I think we are all fed a lot of bullshit to really have an accurate view. You guys need to stop watching American news media exclusively. The propaganda is EPIC. :lol I stopped reading after 5 or 6 posts. :headbang I’m going to save myself the headache and not read any more. Shawn when are you coming into town? We do beer and argue politics in a futile struggle to change each others’ views? ;D Bring your bibliography. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/53 "2008-09-08T09:31:58Z")
> [@ninety1two40](#): > > I just stated who I’ll vote for. I can’t stand getting in heated debates over political topics like this, it aggravates the shit out of me. But I’ll say this, people think that a president can immediately change how our country runs within their 4 year term, but IMO it takes much longer. I think GWB proved you wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/54 "2008-09-08T09:34:27Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > You guys need to stop watching American news media exclusively. The propaganda is EPIC. :lol > > I stopped reading after 5 or 6 posts. :headbang I’m going to save myself the headache and not read any more. > > Shawn when are you coming into town? We do beer and argue politics in a futile struggle to change each others’ views? ;D Bring your bibliography. Good question. Probably a month or so but it will be a Monday-Thursday afternoon thing. ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/55 "2008-09-08T09:35:20Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Good question. Probably a month or so but it will be a Monday-Thursday afternoon thing. those are shitty days to get beeeers. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/56 "2008-09-08T09:36:00Z")
I led church services during my undergraduate studies so I am religious. However, religion and politics are WAY too connected. Everyone should enjoy their faith but pushing on their beliefs is bullshit. If the fags want to get married, who are you to tell them otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/57 "2008-09-08T09:36:23Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > those are shitty days to get beeeers. Alcohol after work = GOOD. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cazwrx187](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cazwrx187/32/6388_2.png) [@cazwrx187](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cazwrx187)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/58 "2008-09-08T18:11:29Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > You guys need to stop watching American news media exclusively. The propaganda is EPIC. :lol I get BBC America and they have an interesting viewpoint on our whole political mammajamma ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/59 "2008-10-07T19:07:07Z")
Anyone else sick of listening to Obama’s shit during the debate? He talks out of his ass 99% of the time. “The credit markets are currently frozen” :wtf No they’re not? :idiots And WTF does Palin’s daughter being knocked up have to do with anything at all? :wtf Seems like people just bring that up when they want to say something negative about her yet can’t actually think of something. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778/60 "2008-10-07T19:42:55Z")
> [@chris88z24](#): > > Anyone else sick of listening to Obama’s shit during the debate? He talks out of his ass 99% of the time. > > “The credit markets are currently frozen” > :wtf No they’re not? :idiots > > And WTF does Palin’s daughter being knocked up have to do with anything at all? :wtf Seems like people just bring that up when they want to say something negative about her yet can’t actually think of something. I guess you missed the “cronies” comment by McCain. I guess you missed the smear campaign by McCain in the news? :lol Speaking of bullshit, how about deregulator McCain talking about how he wants to regulate the banks? You mean to tell me the free enterprise system and deregulated financial system/trickle down effect didn’t work? Or how about the bullshit during trhe debate tonight (and by Palin during the VP debate) where he pushed for the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures and “he sounded that warning bell.” :lol: Actually, Hagel was the one that wrote it and McCain jumped on the bandwagon a year later. Also, it didn’t get passed. :lol [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mccain-fans-in/238778.md?page=4)