# Meatheads: Need Advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 15, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336 "2010-02-15T09:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/1 "2010-02-15T09:15:19Z")
I am not sure if you are familiar with H Drol from CEL but I am going to do a 1 month bulk cycle on it. I will be working out 5 days a week so I am not worried about estrogen issues. What I am worried about is liver support. What would you recommend I use for lower liver support or PCT? I have never used a PH before so any and all advice is welcome. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![GermanPSI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/germanpsi/32/6353_2.png) [@GermanPSI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GermanPSI)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/2 "2010-02-15T09:17:36Z")
steriods /Thread ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/3 "2010-02-15T09:17:56Z")
Have you been working out prior to this? If not Id say start out with just pre/post pro-shakes and eating well. Just my .02 ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/4 "2010-02-15T09:18:04Z")
> [@Opie and Anthony](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opie-and-anthony/25815/102): > > steriods > > /Thread :rofl ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/5 "2010-02-15T09:18:20Z")
> [@Time for another weird post from me](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-another-weird-post-from-me/29334/12): > > I am not sure if you are familiar with H Drol from CEL but I am going to do a 1 month bulk cycle on it. > > I will be working out 5 days a week so I am not worried about estrogen issues. > What I am worried about is liver support. What would you recommend I use for lower liver support or PCT? > > I have never used a PH before so any and all advice is welcome. Thanks. Diet first…how much do you weigh now? If you aren’t willing to commit to a strict diet, forget it. Also, a month on that crap is useless. Most people go 6 weeks. ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/6 "2010-02-15T09:19:11Z")
> [@Opie and Anthony](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opie-and-anthony/25815/102): > > steriods > > /Thread It is a steroid, albeit a legal one. Dosen’t make it any ‘better’ than illegal ones, though, if anything the side effects are typically worse. ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/7 "2010-02-15T09:19:33Z")
> [@Opie and Anthony](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opie-and-anthony/25815/103): > > Have you been working out prior to this? If not Id say start out with just pre/post pro-shakes and eating well. > > Just my .02 x10 ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/8 "2010-02-15T09:23:00Z")
Ive done pretty well with just that so far, and my diet is still far from perfect, although better than it was! ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/9 "2010-02-15T09:28:07Z")
smoke weed and eat cheetos and mountain dew instead ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/10 "2010-02-15T09:28:58Z")
Uhhhhh…:wierd :rofl ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/11 "2010-02-15T09:29:49Z")
just do it it’s way easier ---
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/12 "2010-02-15T09:51:23Z")
The fluffy man makes a good point ---
**Author:** ![Dread](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dread/32/6544_2.png) [@Dread](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dread)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/13 "2010-02-15T09:54:33Z")
Do you have a reason for needing a PH? Low test, hardgainer, plateau, something? ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/14 "2010-02-15T09:55:28Z")
> [@Opie and Anthony](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opie-and-anthony/25815/103): > > Have you been working out prior to this? If not Id say start out with just pre/post pro-shakes and eating well. > > Just my .02 I am on a decent diet for workout. High protein, with low/mod carb intake. I use Whey Protein every day I work out, which is M-F. I have been working out for about 1.5 months. My stats are: 5’8" @ 170 lbs with a body fat percentage of 11% (skinfold method) ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/15 "2010-02-15T10:01:23Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/5596): > > I am on a decent diet for workout. High protein, with low/mod carb intake. > > I use Whey Protein every day I work out, which is M-F. I have been working out for about 1.5 months. My stats are: > > 5’8" @ 170 lbs with a body fat percentage of 11% (skinfold method) Bud, it dosent sound like you don’t know much about nutrition, no offense. I can help if you want. For example, you don’t just use whey protein on days that you workout. At your stats, you’d be wanting to take in about 3500 calories on training days (high protein, high carbs, moderate fat), to gain lean mass. You’re probably no where close now. ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/16 "2010-02-15T10:13:42Z")
> [@Time for another weird post from me](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-another-weird-post-from-me/29334/20): > > Bud, it dosent sound like you don’t know much about nutrition, no offense. I can help if you want. For example, you don’t just use whey protein on days that you workout. > > At your stats, you’d be wanting to take in about 3500 calories on training days (high protein, high carbs, moderate fat), to gain lean mass. You’re probably no where close now. You are right about not knowing much about diet/nutrition and in any case before starting a PH cycle, I should have everything else in order. Thanks for the advice 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ReDevil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redevil/32/6385_2.png) [@ReDevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ReDevil)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/17 "2010-02-15T10:17:21Z")
Bud, I drink energy drinks. Im tough. ---
**Author:** ![Dread](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dread/32/6544_2.png) [@Dread](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dread)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/18 "2010-02-15T10:20:11Z")
> [@Impossssible Quiz!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/impossssible-quiz/29159/87): > > You are right about not knowing much about diet/nutrition and in any case before starting a PH cycle, I should have everything else in order. Thanks for the advice 🙂 If you dont know a lot about diet and nutrition you need to hold off on the PH. Read this, do your research [http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free\_online\_forum/sports\_training\_performance\_bodybuilding\_gear/prohormones\_13](http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/prohormones_13) ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/19 "2010-02-15T10:25:11Z")
> [@Radar enforcement on 400](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/radar-enforcement-on-400/29329/12): > > If you dont know a lot about diet and nutrition you need to hold off on the PH. > > Read this, do your research > > [http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free\_online\_forum/sports\_training\_performance\_bodybuilding\_gear/prohormones\_13](http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/prohormones_13) Awesome link! Thank you. A lot of information there. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/meatheads-need-advice/250336/20 "2010-02-15T14:36:39Z")
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