# MIT: Carbon Dioxide Irrelevant to Climate Change \[now the Climategate thread\] **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 13, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115 "2009-11-13T19:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/1 "2009-11-13T19:10:00Z")
For those here that are not into the science, basically the IPCC, UN and some others (Al Gore) had predicted that as Carbon Dioxide levels in the atmosphere rise, they cause the planet to warm by trapping in solar radiation. But it turns out after collecting hard, observed data for several years, as the Carbon Dioxide level rises any excess heat is simply radiated out into space. In other words the effects are much less than predicted and almost negligible. Now I’m not a total expert in this, but it does poke holes in the “science is settled” mentality and IMO is enough to make any reasonable person question why we’d implement cap and trade policies on Carbon Dioxide if not everyone is in agreement if it’s effecting climate change. Now there are other greenhouse gases that may be contributing, but this study is only about Carbon Dioxide. I haven’t seen this info ANYWHERE on the news, but it’s a big deal in the science community. I usually follow this stuff closer but I haven’t been paying attention and I’m only hearing about it now when these findings were released in July. All the data and findings can be found in this PDF for those that care to read: [http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/co2\_report\_july\_09.pdf](http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/co2_report_july_09.pdf) (it’s a bit politicized, but what isn’t these days. Scroll to the data / charts for the findings) ACTUAL ARTICLE: [http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/230\_TakingGr.pdf](http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/230_TakingGr.pdf) (nerds only) EDIT: This isn’t it as it’s from 2007, but has some of the same conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/2 "2009-11-13T19:26:24Z")
that makes sense because most scientists believe that when the temp of the earth increases it will melt polar caps which screw up the ocean currents and an ice age follows. it’s a cycle thing I guess… like everything else the pendulum swings one way then has to swing back to keep the balance. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/3 "2009-11-13T19:31:33Z")
No shit. Surprised that any real science is going on around climate change. I thought politics crowded out any good science at the first hint that human activities could affect the globe. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/4 "2009-11-13T19:31:45Z")
Well Carbon Dioxide dissolves in sea water, so the more the ice caps melt, the more open ocean we get, then the more Carbon Dioxide the oceans can absorb from the atmosphere. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/5 "2009-11-13T19:36:53Z")
Found the MIT article and added it at the bottom of the first post. EDIT: Maybe not, because it’s from '07 :ham: ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/6 "2009-11-14T06:17:56Z")
No peer review? ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/7 "2009-11-14T06:33:26Z")
> [@RedGoober4Life](#): > > No peer review? I know I read last night that it was, but I can’t find it right now. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/8 "2009-11-14T07:16:13Z")
Aren’t there aleady like 31,000 scientists that agree with this? ---
**Author:** ![Treads4Heads](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/treads4heads/32/7416_2.png) [@Treads4Heads](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Treads4Heads)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/9 "2009-11-14T07:40:40Z")
Thank Goodness, so they accept levels are going up but not cause of the dreaded warming. Hopefully they will spend less energy on counting carbon and focus more on reversing the pollution damage caused over the last 100 years. ---
**Author:** ![Pauly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pauly/32/7493_2.png) [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/10 "2009-11-14T07:46:20Z")
hmmm interesting. only prob is what if they are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/11 "2009-11-14T07:53:00Z")
> [@Treads4Heads](#): > > Thank Goodness, so they accept levels are going up but not cause of the dreaded warming. **Hopefully they will spend less energy on counting carbon and focus more on reversing the pollution damage caused over the last 100 years.** Seriously. I’m just worried that with this information people will go back to not giving two shits about how they affect their surroundings. Pollution is a negative impact, no matter how you look at it. ---
**Author:** ![Treads4Heads](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/treads4heads/32/7416_2.png) [@Treads4Heads](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Treads4Heads)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/12 "2009-11-14T07:56:35Z")
For those of you who don’t know, there were NO pollution laws or regulations untill 1970. I give us credit for making huge strides in 39 years, but theres still alot of work to be done. ---
**Author:** ![neonglh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neonglh/32/4951_2.png) [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/13 "2009-11-14T08:02:58Z")
While I personally agree, one paper does not mean it’s definite. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/14 "2009-11-14T13:02:58Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Aren’t there aleady like 31,000 scientists that agree with this? Up until now there hasn’t been any actual observed data. Everyone has been using computer models and theory. This is a first in that sense. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/15 "2009-11-14T13:19:50Z")
the myth that humans are the main cause for global warming is extremely laughable. The fact is carbon dioxide is one of the building blocks of life. The 31,000 scientists who signed this petition [http://www.oism.org/pproject/](http://www.oism.org/pproject/) think so as well. 9,000 of them have their PhD’s ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/16 "2009-11-14T13:22:52Z")
This petition? What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/17 "2009-11-14T13:23:19Z")
There have been times when our planet was much warmer, i think it was around the year 1100 when we were the warmest and i believe it was 1565 when our planet had the “mini ice age” when there was snow and ice as far south as tunisia africa. Right now we are right in the middle of those two time periods. Most scientists concede that humans do contribute but the actual consensus among scientists is that we contribute about .02 to .03 percent. > [@Treads4Heads](#): > > Thank Goodness, so they accept levels are going up but not cause of the dreaded warming. Hopefully they will spend less energy on counting carbon and focus more on reversing the pollution damage caused over the last 100 years. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/18 "2009-11-14T13:23:53Z")
woops, fixed > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > This petition? What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/19 "2009-11-14T13:27:15Z")
by the way, that whole “science is settled” thing, should never be takenn seriously by anyone. First of all al gore isnt a scientist and science itself is never settled, especially the science involving climate change. The man has no idea what hes talking about and he is not qualified to talk about any of it. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mit-carbon-dioxide-irrelevant-to-climate-change-now-the-climategate-thread/76115/20 "2009-11-14T14:17:59Z")
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