# Montana gun legislation enacted **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456 "2009-05-07T17:05:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/21 "2009-05-07T19:50:12Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > Ok so to make the liberals like yourself happy…they should show ID like buying beer and then send yea out the door with a gun Whats wrong with that honestly? If you don’t live in Montana you shouldn’t be able to buy and bring back a gun from Montana. If the drinking age in Montana was 18 and I was 18 but in Wisconsin its 21 I can’t buy the beer from Monatana cross the border and then tell a Wisconsin trooper “well its legal in Montana”. And given the fact that these are weapons and not booze then Montana should make sure that only their citizenry can take advantage of it. If you think I’m wrong then move to Montana. ---
**Author:** ![Violator](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/violator/32/7278_2.png) [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/22 "2009-05-07T20:05:19Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Whats wrong with that honestly? If you don’t live in Montana you shouldn’t be able to buy and bring back a gun from Montana. > > If the drinking age in Montana was 18 and I was 18 but in Wisconsin its 21 I can’t buy the beer from Monatana cross the border and then tell a Wisconsin trooper “well its legal in Montana”. > > And given the fact that these are weapons and not booze then Montana should make sure that only their citizenry can take advantage of it. > > If you think I’m wrong then move to Montana. I am all for this legislation but I do agree with you. Bunch of assholes from Mexico should not be able to roll up and buy a truckload of guns. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/23 "2009-05-07T20:11:33Z")
> [@Violator](#): > > I am all for this legislation but I do agree with you. Bunch of assholes from Mexico should not be able to roll up and buy a truckload of guns. Seriously, if this is what Montana wants to do then fine, I’m sure they don’t have the gun crimes like other states do but I don’t want to see other people taking advantage of this law. ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/24 "2009-05-07T20:28:19Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Whats wrong with that honestly? If you don’t live in Montana you shouldn’t be able to buy and bring back a gun from Montana. > > If the drinking age in Montana was 18 and I was 18 but in Wisconsin its 21 I can’t buy the beer from Monatana cross the border and then tell a Wisconsin trooper “well its legal in Montana”. > > And given the fact that these are weapons and not booze then Montana should make sure that only their citizenry can take advantage of it. > > If you think I’m wrong then move to Montana. I agree people from another state should not be able to buy them there, but I feel the states should make the laws with gun sales to US citizens as far as buying them, not the government ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/25 "2009-05-07T20:30:10Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > I agree people from another state should not be able to buy them there, but I feel the states should make the laws with gun sales to US citizens as far as buying them, not the government Your talking about the federal gov’t? I agree and disagree, aren’t most gun laws made by the states anyway? ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/26 "2009-05-07T20:34:30Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Your talking about the federal gov’t? I agree and disagree, aren’t most gun laws made by the states anyway? yes and no…the fed thinks they need full control of it when its not there right…honestly its what u think like everything political/religious and not worth arguing about it over the internet…but i bet we will agree on a lot and disagree as well ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/27 "2009-05-08T03:41:03Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > yes and no…the fed thinks they need full control of it when its not there right…honestly its what u think like everything political/religious and not worth arguing about it over the internet…but i bet we will agree on a lot and disagree as well Honestly my only beef with gun ownership is that no one should own automatic weapons and that handguns should require a waiting period while a background check is performed. It shouldn’t take longer than a month. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/28 "2009-05-08T03:56:05Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Seriously, if this is what Montana wants to do then fine, I’m sure they don’t have the gun crimes like other states do but I don’t want to see other people taking advantage of this law. Montana is not resposible for other states laws. People buy fireworks in some states and you just need to be 18. They don’t ask if they are legal in your homeland. My point with the beer was that you need to show ID but that is about it. I am sure a 5 year old won’t be able to buy guns in Montana. The Federal government has way over stepped it’s bounds according to a growing number of states. The whole reason for have states is so that people have choices but it seems the Feds think they should make more and more of the decisions. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/29 "2009-05-08T04:28:46Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Montana is not resposible for other states laws. > People buy fireworks in some states and you just need to be 18. They don’t ask if they are legal in your homeland.Again you are comparing something trivial to a firearm. Montana should verify state citizenship for their firearms if they plan to have no procedure in purchasing them. > > My point with the beer was that you need to show ID but that is about it. I am sure a 5 year old won’t be able to buy guns in Montana. > > The Federal government has way over stepped it’s bounds according to a growing number of states. The whole reason for have states is so that people have choices but it seems the Feds think they should make more and more of the decisions. This is an opinion that to a point I share. Here’s a question I have to those state claiming that their sovereignty has been violated: When did these violations begin and why are you complaining now? The Obama administration has only been in office for a little over 3 months and their are a number of states talking about session. And most of those states are Republican held. What happened to the patriotism that was spoon fed to us for the last 10 years? If you don’t believe in the president you are anti-American, if you question gov’t policy you are anti-American. Now they are talking about secession? Thats the most anti-American thing you can do and its being led by paranoid Republicans! The hypocrisy coming from the right these days to blame Obama and liberals for everything is astounding. Its honestly like they forgot the last 10 years on how they acted when in power. YOU LOST! Its not the end of the world, pick yourselves back up and try again in the next elections, thats what the democrats did, they didn’t call for NY to secede or California to secede, they just worked on their image, called out the Republican failures and found good leadership for their party. If they were smart they would look to Ron Paul. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/30 "2009-05-08T05:14:01Z")
> [@Penfold](#): > > It honestly doesn’t make sense why the res of the country should determine how one state can live. We are to diverse of a nation for suppression like that. We tried that attitude under the Articles of Confederation. The country began to fall apart. The only way to have a union is to have a strong central government. But again, whatever. Gun control laws are all a joke. Good for Montana if that’s what they want, but this cesession talk is a bunch of crap that has got to stop. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/31 "2009-05-08T05:23:39Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > This isn’t about guns; it’s about states rights and reversing or decreasing federal control over them. Intrastate vs. interstate. Glad someone gets it. > [@Some really smart old guys](#): > > The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. It’s #10 in case anyone was wondering. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/32 "2009-05-08T05:25:46Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > This isn’t about guns; it’s about states rights and reversing or decreasing federal control over them. Intrastate vs. interstate. this ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/33 "2009-05-08T05:30:47Z")
Onyx is right > [@Violator](#): > > I am all for this legislation but I do agree with you. Bunch of assholes from Mexico should not be able to roll up and buy a truckload of guns. > [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Seriously, if this is what Montana wants to do then fine, I’m sure they don’t have the gun crimes like other states do but I don’t want to see other people taking advantage of this law. The weapons found in Mexico are NOT civilian weapons. They are ex-gov/military weapons that were sold to the Mexican gov originally. People are too stupid to ask why Mexico won’t release the serial numbers on the weapons confiscated. You can NOT buy a full auto weapon in this country that was produced after, or not registered before 1986. The worst bit of this, is that the federal gov is less restrictive than most states. The NRA has been fighting and winning battles against states that have more restrictive gun laws than the feds. The feds require little more than a piece of paper stating that you are not a drug user, not a felon, and not crazy… if you meet those requirements, then you can have a gun. I think Montana picked the wrong topic to fight here. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/34 "2009-05-08T05:37:41Z")
> [@A little gun history](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-little-gun-history/63056/51): > > My problem is that I’m more pro-truth than I am pro-gun. I like guns, but I’m against gun control because it’s a political football masquerading as being tossed around in our best interest. :run: ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/35 "2009-05-08T06:04:26Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > It’s #10 in case anyone was wondering. > [@Those Same Old Guys](#): > > Article IV > > This Constitution, and the **laws of the United States** which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, **shall be the supreme law of the land** ; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. The Constitution was designed to create a strong central government. Nearly everything that the Constitution points to that conclusion, from the supremacy of Congressional law to the Supreme Court. Hell even state creation is designed by the Federal government. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/36 "2009-05-08T06:06:51Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > This isn’t about guns; it’s about states rights and reversing or decreasing federal control over them. Intrastate vs. interstate. :word: > [@Zer0DazE](#): > > I think Montana picked the wrong topic to fight here. :word: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/37 "2009-05-08T06:57:04Z")
If they slip this through states have a precedent to make their own drug laws… ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/38 "2009-05-08T07:29:06Z")
^ They are fighting intrastate commerce restrictions, but it could turn ugly. If they win, then the states will have the ability to tax more, and add more restrictions above and beyond what the feds have put in place. We may all end up in a state like Commiefornia. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/39 "2009-05-08T07:37:44Z")
Isn’t the Legal drinking age a state law too? But the federal government basically just threatens states with budget money to keep it at 21? ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/40 "2009-05-08T08:11:21Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > Isn’t the Legal drinking age a state law too? But the federal government basically just threatens states with budget money to keep it at 21? Yes, I believe it had to do with funding road projects. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456.md?page=3)