# Montana gun legislation enacted **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456 "2009-05-07T17:05:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/41 "2009-05-08T08:20:16Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Here’s a question I have to those state claiming that their sovereignty has been violated: When did these violations begin and why are you complaining now? > > The Obama administration has only been in office for a little over 3 months and their are a number of states talking about session. And most of those states are Republican held. > > What happened to the patriotism that was spoon fed to us for the last 10 years? If you don’t believe in the president you are anti-American, if you question gov’t policy you are anti-American. Now they are talking about secession? Thats the most anti-American thing you can do and its being led by paranoid Republicans! > > The hypocrisy coming from the right these days to blame Obama and liberals for everything is astounding. Its honestly like they forgot the last 10 years on how they acted when in power. > > YOU LOST! Its not the end of the world, pick yourselves back up and try again in the next elections, thats what the democrats did, they didn’t call for NY to secede or California to secede, they just worked on their image, called out the Republican failures and found good leadership for their party. > > If they were smart they would look to Ron Paul. There are several reasons and Obama isn’t the only reason. I don’t want to mention one or two reasons because the other 100 reasons will be “under recognized” if I may use that made up term. lol There was a straw that broke the camel’s back. That straw was different things to different people. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/42 "2009-05-08T08:25:36Z")
I’d say they picked the perfect issue to test states rights on. They needed an issue the left would be upset about. -Check. “People are going to buy guns there and bring them to my communist state”. Sounds like the left is taking notice to me. They needed an issue the citizens of their state would get behind 100%. -Check. Flipping the left, from Huffington to Obama, the middle finger on gun control? Yeah, Montana will get behind that. I’ll be grabbing my popcorn and watching how this plays out. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/43 "2009-05-08T08:32:04Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’d say they picked the perfect issue to test states rights on. > > I’ll be grabbing my popcorn and watching how this plays out. Sure, the ammo (:mamoru: ) is effective - but the precedents set on the specific issue (interstate commerce) could set off a huge windfall of bullshit legislation. I have no problem with the gun legislation itself, but the manner in which they (appear) to be going about it. Disclaimer: I’ve done no research yet. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/44 "2009-05-08T08:32:38Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > There are several reasons and Obama isn’t the only reason. > I don’t want to mention one or two reasons because the other 100 reasons will be “under recognized” if I may use that made up term. lol > There was a straw that broke the camel’s back. That straw was different things to different people. So secession is the answer? ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/45 "2009-05-08T08:36:40Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’d say they picked the perfect issue to test states rights on. > > They needed an issue the left would be upset about. > -Check. “People are going to buy guns there and bring them to my communist state”. Sounds like the left is taking notice to me. > > They needed an issue the citizens of their state would get behind 100%. > -Check. Flipping the left, from Huffington to Obama, the middle finger on gun control? Yeah, Montana will get behind that. > Except Congress and Obama haven’t done anything yet concerning gun control. > > I’ll be grabbing my popcorn and watching how this plays out. You think this might be a good idea until it sets the groundwork for states doing thing you don’t like. What if another state says they don’t need to listen to federal law either concerning guns and bans all guns? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/46 "2009-05-08T08:38:16Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > You think this might be a good idea until it sets the groundwork for states doing thing you don’t like. What if another state says they don’t need to listen to federal law either concerning guns and bans all guns? Have you read the constitution? Start with #2, then jump to #10, and realize how stupid what you just posted is. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/47 "2009-05-08T08:53:36Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > You think this might be a good idea until it sets the groundwork for states doing thing you don’t like. What if another state says they don’t need to listen to federal law either concerning guns and bans all guns? This is the ultimate thing. THEN YOU HAVE 50 CHOICES the way it should be, not one central government control. It is getting to the point where you have no choices. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/48 "2009-05-08T08:55:39Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > So secession is the answer? DC does not want states leaving the union and Montana knows that. Maybe they are just using the same extortion tactics the feds use with highway money. They would hate to lose at a game they are experts in. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/49 "2009-05-08T08:56:35Z")
Hmm… this might become an issue if there’s a straw Montanan who decides to supply guns to people in other states. This is where the “interstate commerce” clause applies. If they track a gun used in Florida to a manufacturer in Montana, then the law’s toast. ---
**Author:** ![00Audi00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/0/7ab992/32.png) [@00Audi00](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/00Audi00)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/50 "2009-05-08T08:59:39Z")
Fuck Montana…I wouldn’t miss it! ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/51 "2009-05-08T09:04:15Z")
Miss it? I would move there! lol I think Montana’s population would grow at an alarming rate.lol AND everyone would be armed:D ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/52 "2009-05-08T09:05:55Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Hmm… this might become an issue if there’s a straw Montanan who decides to supply guns to people in other states. This is where the “interstate commerce” clause applies. If they track a gun used in Florida to a manufacturer in Montana, then the law’s toast. But the commerce clause doesn’t give the federal government any power over sales within the state. “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;” The law Montana passed specifically names guns and ammunition made in Montana, do doubt to preempt a commerce clause challenge. As mentioned earlier as long as they require ID they shouldn’t be responsible if a Montana gun ends up in NY. ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/53 "2009-05-08T09:13:00Z")
Stroked, the new admin and their cronies are the same people that put in place the last failed “Assult Weapons” ban. The have stated they want to put it back in place, but make it permanent this time. Recently when asked about it they back peddled because career politicians know it would deal a death blow to their career to back one right now. Do a search on the 1st ban. It was a test to see if it would lower the gun related crimes. The verdict? It did nothing, and the weapons that were named in the ban weren’t even the ones being used in crimes. The 2nd Amendment was supposed to give the citizens the ability to protect themselves and fight back against the government if the need arised. I think people forget how this nation was formed sometimes. > [@JayS](#): > > they shouldn’t be responsible if a Montana gun ends up in NY. This is exactly how it works. If I went to TX and picked up a CZ-82 and brought it back here, by NYS law I would need to turn it in to the police. It would be held until I filled out the paperwork, and waited for my NY pistol permit. On a side note, if you are applying for an NY permit, get a FL one to go with it. You will be able carry in almost all 50 states with those 2 permits. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/54 "2009-05-08T09:18:51Z")
States rights is interesting. It pretty much just makes red america redder and blue america bluer. The federal level is kind of a mix of red and blue policies right now, but I think you’d see half of america with legal gay marriage, at least marijuana, any-time abortions, etc. and the other half with abortion illegal, no gun control, public school prayer permitted, etc. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Russian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the_russian/32/7414_2.png) [@The\_Russian](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The_Russian)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/55 "2009-05-08T09:21:27Z")
> [@Zer0DazE](#): > > Stroked, the new admin and their cronies are the same people that put in place the last failed “Assult Weapons” ban. The have stated they want to put it back in place, but make it permanent this time. > > Recently when asked about it they back peddled because career politicians know it would deal a death blow to their career to back one right now. > > Do a search on the 1st ban. It was a test to see if it would lower the gun related crimes. The verdict? > > It did nothing, and the weapons that were named in the ban weren’t even the ones being used in crimes. > > The 2nd Amendment was supposed to give the citizens the ability to protect themselves and fight back against the government if the need arised. I think people forget how this nation was formed sometimes. > > This is exactly how it works. If I went to TX and picked up a CZ-82 and brought it back here, by NYS law I would need to turn it in to the police. It would be held until I filled out the paperwork, and waited for my NY pistol permit. > > On a side note, if you are applying for an NY permit, get a FL one to go with it. You will be able carry in almost all 50 states with those 2 permits. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/56 "2009-05-08T09:46:54Z")
I’m moving to Montana. ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/57 "2009-05-08T09:56:41Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > I’m moving to Montana. Want a roommate? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/58 "2009-05-08T09:58:23Z")
Time to buy [mtspeed.com](http://mtspeed.com) ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/59 "2009-05-08T10:01:21Z")
I wonder if this will skate around the '86 full auto ban? I would love to legally build on of my STEN kits as full auto. ---
**Author:** ![micah](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/micah/32/7257_2.png) [@micah](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/micah)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456/60 "2009-05-08T10:01:57Z")
idk i kinda think i like the waiting period and forms filled out to buy guns [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montana-gun-legislation-enacted/67456.md?page=4)