# Montoya
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [July 9, 2006, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316 "2006-07-09T09:28:31Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/21 "2006-07-10T10:28:53Z")
:bloated:
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### Author:  [@eMKay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eMKay)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/22 "2006-07-10T10:49:22Z")
> [@Joe](#):
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> I think not. Take a look at the open-wheel racers that have tried NASCAR, other than tony stewart they’ve all failed, and some of them were pretty good. (Fittipaldi and Andretti come to mind off-hand.)
> Also, they did a thing where Gordon and an F1 driver (It may have even been montoya) switched cars, and Gordon completely showed the guy up.
I think you got that backwards. Montoya had the POS roundyround car at the limit the entire time while Gordon was only approaching what the FW24 was capable of. That is to be expected as the limits on an F1 car are much higher, but Montoya showed he was capable of moving a far slower vehicle pretty well.
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/23 "2006-07-10T10:55:28Z")
> [@eMKay](#):
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> roundyround
haha - I like that description.
If Montoya didn’t get picked up by any team, then he went from 0 -\> $5mil, which is a substantial pay increase, and that means he is doing it for the money.
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/24 "2006-07-10T10:58:17Z")
Sorry, but wrong. Gordon pulled off a 1:16 in the indycar, only one second behind what Montoya did, whereas Montoya locked up the brakes and flatspotted a tire. Thank you, come again
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/25 "2006-07-10T11:02:44Z")
Did someone already say that Gordon can drive the piss out of anything with wheels??? try comparing Montoya to someone else in Nascar.
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/26 "2006-07-10T11:07:43Z")
There is no other direct comparison available, thats why.
To put things in perspective, take a look at the IROC standings from the last couple years, which is open to the best drivers in the world from all walks of racing.
[http://www.irocracing.com/current\_season/history.html](http://www.irocracing.com/current_season/history.html)
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### Author:  [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/27 "2006-07-10T12:03:52Z")
Gordon grew up in Indiana driving open wheeled cars… Like Bret said when they interviewed Gordon in USGP he loved getting into an F1 car and said it was easy to drive…now i am not a Gordon fan but just because he drives a roundy round doesnt mean he cant do indy or F1…he always does good when NASCAR hits the roadcourses…and thats like me driving the maxima against an Elise on a roadcourse or auto-x course
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### Author:  [@eMKay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eMKay)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/28 "2006-07-10T19:30:45Z")
> [@Joe](#):
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> Sorry, but wrong. Gordon pulled off a 1:16 in the indycar, only one second behind what Montoya did, whereas Montoya locked up the brakes and flatspotted a tire. Thank you, come again
I watched it, apparently you didn’t. Of course he locked it up, he’s used to an F1 car that can brake at 5 g’s. If you knew what you were talking about you would have seen that, especially since it wasn’t an indycar. Get a clue before saying I’m wrong.
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### Author:  [@eMKay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eMKay)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/29 "2006-07-10T19:34:16Z")
> [@MaximaSE98](#):
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> Gordon grew up in Indiana driving open wheeled cars… Like Bret said when they interviewed Gordon in USGP he loved getting into an F1 car and said it was easy to drive…now i am not a Gordon fan but just because he drives a roundy round doesnt mean he cant do indy or F1…he always does good when NASCAR hits the roadcourses…and thats like me driving the maxima against an Elise on a roadcourse or auto-x course
Gordon would make a good F1 driver for sure, he’s got the skills. But of course the same can’t be said for most NASCAR drivers. It’s like comparing bar league hockey to the NHL, it takes a special freak of nature to be FAST in an F1 car.
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/30 "2006-07-10T20:04:56Z")
> [@eMKay](#):
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> I watched it, apparently you didn’t. Of course he locked it up, he’s used to an F1 car that can brake at 5 g’s. If you knew what you were talking about you would have seen that, especially since it wasn’t an indycar. Get a clue before saying I’m wrong.
i watched it too.
over 2 years ago.
So I do know what i’m talking about, and half of being a good driver is being able to adapt to your car. Controlling that much power with a 4spd auto and rear wheel drive is more impressive than any open wheel time
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### Author:  [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/31 "2006-07-10T20:31:59Z")
now Danica Patrick might make the move to NASCAR as well
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### Author:  [@eMKay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eMKay)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/32 "2006-07-11T04:36:35Z")
> [@Joe](#):
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> i watched it too.
> over 2 years ago.
> So I do know what i’m talking about, and half of being a good driver is being able to adapt to your car. Controlling that much power with a 4spd auto and rear wheel drive is more impressive than any open wheel time
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OOOOkaaaaay. I’m out of this conversation. 4 spd auto? WTF? Clueless.
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### Author:  [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/33 "2006-07-11T04:59:48Z")
> [@Joe](#):
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> So I do know what i’m talking about, and half of being a good driver is being able to adapt to your car.
Not on a professional level where your team is 20+ people deep and the budget is tens of millions of dollars. You don’t adapt to shit. You convey the characteristics of the car with your team and they change it to suit you. They in turn convey the best lap times throughout those changes. And then improve on that system during a 36 race year schedual.
It’s not their job to jump in a random car every weekend for a publicity stunt.
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### Author:  [@eMKay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eMKay)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/34 "2006-07-11T06:18:23Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#):
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> Not on a professional level where your team is 20+ people deep and the budget is tens of millions of dollars. You don’t adapt to shit. You convey the characteristics of the car with your team and they change it to suit you. They in turn convey the best lap times throughout those changes. And then improve on that system during a 36 race year schedual.
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> It’s not their job to jump in a random car every weekend for a publicity stunt.
Especially in NASCAR where all the cars are the same, and run in packs. You win a race based on luck, and how your team works. No real driver skill involved.
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/35 "2006-07-11T06:37:09Z")
Well, there is some skill involved in qualifying - but after that, it’s all about who’s pit crew is faster, avoiding accidents, and drafting until the last turn.
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### Author:  [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/36 "2006-07-11T07:02:57Z")
> [@eMKay](#):
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> No real driver skill involved.
You have got to be fucking kidding me…
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### Author:  [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/37 "2006-07-11T07:24:22Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#):
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> People, In Montoya’s case, its not about the money…
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> Montoya took a pay cut going from F1 to NASCAR. F1 guys make bank compared to all other forms of auto racing.
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> At the end of the day, it’s all about the SPONSOR money.
Maybe he’s taking a salary cut…but the money he can bring in from endorsments…
The rules in F1 are getting lame, they need to open that series up more so we can have some good rivalries played out on the track. F1 is still the pinnacle of motorsports though.
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### Author:  [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/38 "2006-07-11T07:27:44Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#):
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> You have got to be fucking kidding me…
im think there was sarchasim there… at least i hope there was.
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### Author:  [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/39 "2006-07-11T08:19:31Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#):
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> You have got to be fucking kidding me…
This coming from an employee of a sponsor of the strongest NASCAR team :roll:
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### Author:  [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2006, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/montoya/14316/40 "2006-07-11T08:41:08Z")
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