# More datacenters! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [July 16, 2014, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041 "2014-07-16T07:55:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2014, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/41 "2014-07-19T11:36:10Z")
> [@Mankthetank19](#): > > Not saying that I don’t agree with you but Yahoo won’t look at an external candidate unless they have a BA. Can you tell their recruiters to stop calling me every 3 months and saying the opposite? lol ---
**Author:** ![Mankthetank19](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mankthetank19/32/5295_2.png) [@Mankthetank19](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mankthetank19)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2014, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/42 "2014-07-19T13:54:17Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Can you tell their recruiters to stop calling me every 3 months and saying the opposite? lol Just like every recruiting firm, recruiters do everything in “mass” form - simple search on titles, previous companies, recommendations, social network presence, location, etc. I have been contacted by companies to be a VP of their Disaster Recovery which requires 8 years experience. If they do a simple review they would see that I have no where near that much experience and avoid those individuals. I refer recruiters to bulk mailers, very similar to credit card offers that come in the mail, hoping for a sucker to respond and find out that the APR they promise is not achievable. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/43 "2014-07-19T15:49:22Z")
> [@Mankthetank19](#): > > Just like every recruiting firm, recruiters do everything in “mass” form - simple search on titles, previous companies, recommendations, social network presence, location, etc. > > I have been contacted by companies to be a VP of their Disaster Recovery which requires 8 years experience. If they do a simple review they would see that I have no where near that much experience and avoid those individuals. > > I refer recruiters to bulk mailers, very similar to credit card offers that come in the mail, hoping for a sucker to respond and find out that the APR they promise is not achievable. I understand how recruiting works thanks… The interactions I have had with Yahoo and other companies has been extremely specific and directed Infosec/infosec research is an extremely small field. Lots of companies will throw around requirements for degrees however for the appropriate person they will bend. In most cases it’s not the norm anymore for degree requirements in technology related jobs ---
**Author:** ![Puno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Puno](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Puno)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2014, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/44 "2014-07-20T09:10:19Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > In most cases it’s not the norm anymore for degree requirements in technology related jobs Very true. Some of the best programmers I know were self-taught with no degree. It’s their hobby. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/45 "2014-07-21T07:52:17Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > I have worked with a number of fortune 100/500 companies over the past few years of consulting > > There are lots of people out there making really good money in network, systems, dba engineering positions without college degrees and im specifically leaving out infosec because that’s an entirely separate beast. > > You can pretty easily make 75k+ in the Buffalo area without a degree if you know your shit with network/sys admin shit at this point assuming you have 5 or so years of experience. > > It’s kind of a worthless debate however because what works for one person with a lot drive doesn’t work for someone else who is lazy and not willing to change jobs and put in the time. Jobs are possible but they take more effort here. I am referring to a lot of positions that require in person work and not shifted to the hire from anywhere/work from home ideology which is still new to a lot of companies here. 1. The pool is smaller and for jobs you need to be in person in the office, you are limited to the scope of the area. 2. The larger companies with larger IT staffs usually have to be based here or you are working under a larger IT organization from a remote office or a parent company as a lower level in most cases 3. Companies here hire people they know, making the effort to social network in your industry critical to moving up in the world. 4. Buffalo has a lot of traditional companies, not as many forward thinking jobs so IT is still an expense and not an investment 5. Buffalo companies are smaller so IT jobs usually are more jack of all trades vs specialized higher paying positions like senior engineers. I know a ton of companies that have their AD admin making firewall changes, running backups and also replacing terminals vs companies who dedicate staff to the long growth. > [@Mankthetank19](#): > > I am not sure where you get your information from but there are just more than general operators at Yahoo. There are SRE/SME positions that support Yahoo’s backbone, internal tools, and yahoo services (mail, messenger, mobile, etc). Those positions aren’t usually public because Yahoo tries to promote within. In most cases, people that take a step back and join the operation center and understands how yahoo works and operates within a year. After that year, that “so person” who took a step back has the ability to further their career within Yahoo. Not sure if it is relevant now but the net add when they opened was not a lot of the senior engineers or highers ups. Their postings were a lot of lower level positions as they moved people into the area that had the Yahoo values which for the point of this topic, makes my point that these jobs didn’t exist in Buffalo and people didn’t get promoted here. They lived elsewhere, working and moved up in the company as you said. > [@Mankthetank19](#): > > Your post is really relevant. It seems like the Tech industries have periods of time where this field of IT is in most demand. I have been trying to follow that trend, started off with programing, went into security, and I am now in Business Continuity Planning/Disaster Recovery which I believe is the next big thing industries are looking into. All of IT is in cycles. Companies buy a lot of stuff when they need it, then let it age, and then hire again when some industry shift requires them to change their normal functions about looking at IT. The most recent shift that businesses found as you said are that when IT is down, the company STOPS. This is causing the new wave of on hand talent and even causing a lot of companies to pull talent in house instead of using the consultant/contractor model and letting knowledge leave. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/46 "2014-07-21T08:33:27Z")
> [@Mankthetank19](#): > > and I am now in Business Continuity Planning/Disaster Recovery which I believe is the next big thing industries are looking into. Interesting I never really looked it like this usually it gets rolled under security or operations. ---
**Author:** ![Mankthetank19](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mankthetank19/32/5295_2.png) [@Mankthetank19](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mankthetank19)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/47 "2014-07-21T09:19:17Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Interesting I never really looked it like this usually it gets rolled under security or operations. At Yahoo, it is under Operations. From what I see, it is now all about site up, breaking with grace (rather than http errors), GEO availability, virtualization/openstack, Replications, moving away from tapes. - - - Updated - - - > [@LZ](#): > > I understand how recruiting works thanks… > > The interactions I have had with Yahoo and other companies has been extremely specific and directed Infosec/infosec research is an extremely small field. > > Lots of companies will throw around requirements for degrees however for the appropriate person they will bend. > > In most cases it’s not the norm anymore for degree requirements in technology related jobs All full time hires regardless of job level are reviewed by Marrissa and her Executive staff. If the position is full time and non contractor a BA is needed. I believe if a contractor gets hired, they might be able to be transferred to full time without a BA. However, as boxxa stated, the contractor population has decreased dramatically at Yahoo. ---
**Author:** ![IWantaSupra](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iwantasupra/32/7222_2.png) [@IWantaSupra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IWantaSupra)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/48 "2014-07-21T21:43:02Z")
> [@Quatts](#): > > Ha this is so true, I have my MBA as well yet have a crap entry level job at Citi bank; only one in my department with above a bachelors and almost the lowest in terms of rank/pay. > The experience part is a killer unless you know somebody What department at Citi? I just moved out of state a few weeks ago and quit. I worked in Yield Book. When I first got hired there I was one of only a few people on my team with a BS and the entire department got moved to India anyway. It is nice to see a company like Blackrock move up to Buffalo. I wonder if the jobs will only be technology and operations or if some actual finance positions will come from it. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/49 "2014-07-22T06:43:31Z")
MBAs are good if your company wants to pay you to move into a management position. I am not too familiar with many people who come out of a MBA program day one and land a Director or higher job without any experience. ---
**Author:** ![Quatts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/2bfe46/32.png) [@Quatts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quatts)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/50 "2014-07-22T09:43:13Z")
> [@IWantaSupra](#): > > What department at Citi? I just moved out of state a few weeks ago and quit. I worked in Yield Book. When I first got hired there I was one of only a few people on my team with a BS and the entire department got moved to India anyway. > > It is nice to see a company like Blackrock move up to Buffalo. I wonder if the jobs will only be technology and operations or if some actual finance positions will come from it. I’m under ISG on the Entity Data Management team. Could do this job when I was still in high school, this place is so frustrating to work at. I’m looking to leave asap and I’ve been here 2 years (1 as a temp). ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/51 "2014-07-22T09:44:55Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > MBAs are good if your company wants to pay you to move into a management position. I am not too familiar with many people who come out of a MBA program day one and land a Director or higher job without any experience. CIO perhaps. I’m under the general impression that CIOs really don’t know much on the technical side of things. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/52 "2014-07-22T09:58:24Z")
Are we talking in the real world or buffalo businesses? ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/53 "2014-07-22T10:08:04Z")
I think Buffalo. I think Buffalo has a more laxed approach on hiring. Like…oh it says here he cleaned viruses out of laptops…let’s hire him for server administrator. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/54 "2014-07-22T10:11:51Z")
I interviewed someone with a doctorate in computer science the other day :lol: ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/55 "2014-07-22T13:13:55Z")
> [@ProgRocker](#): > > I think Buffalo. I think Buffalo has a more laxed approach on hiring. Like…oh it says here he cleaned viruses out of laptops…let’s hire him for server administrator. This falls under what I said with everyone here is the jack of all trades for a job and people are not specialized much here. Not true for the bigger companies but Buffalo has a lot of overlapping IT > [@LZ](#): > > I interviewed someone with a doctorate in computer science the other day :lol: Did you know how to talk to a non script kiddie peer? Lol ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/56 "2014-07-23T06:58:20Z")
![http://i.imgur.com/iiUowNa.jpg](http://i.imgur.com/iiUowNa.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/57 "2014-07-25T08:10:13Z")
> [@ProgRocker](#): > > CIO perhaps. I’m under the general impression that CIOs really don’t know much on the technical side of things. Most CIOs I have dealt with are pretty savvy. Some, depending on how they have been out of the engineering world, they may not know the latest trends or have specific knowledge about every realm of IT but a lot I have met know enough to be dangerous and aren’t some MBA person that got out of college with no skills or experience. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/58 "2014-07-25T08:12:17Z")
CIO = I attended some conference last month they said “cloud” and now we have to do it. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/59 "2014-07-25T08:39:49Z")
Yeah, usually I get assigned a bunch of work have to reach out to a bunch of people because of some grand idea. Then it gets canceled or never used, so I just waste time. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041/60 "2014-07-25T10:02:52Z")
This is interesting. Somehow I missed this story when it initially came out. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/more-datacenters/270041.md?page=4)