# Mugen Si at the dealer **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 30, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mugen-si-at-the-dealer/193946 "2007-11-30T18:28:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 48
**Author:** ![Habib88](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/habib88/32/3341_2.png) [@Habib88](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Habib88)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2007, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mugen-si-at-the-dealer/193946/48 "2007-12-05T05:58:01Z")
> [@trade help..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/trade-help/33721/2): > > maybe cuz they are racing on real tracks :dunno: I mean Tsukuba isn’t cones setup in the walmart parking lot like autocross around here. I think you missed the sarcasm, except for Joel. I really do think he shops at Pepboys :kekegay: In all honestly driving basics are the same between autox and a road course. Brake, turn-in & modulate the gas, go full throttle at the apex, etc (this varies a little between cars and drivers but you get the idea). Main difference is in autox the turns happen at a higher frequency and rely more on the car’s ablitly to transition. In a road course the higher speeds allow things like aero & brakes to play a bigger role, cornering is more focused on steady state rather than transition. I’m willing to bet if you slap a set of race tires on the base Si & Mugen Si and take them anywhere that your going to see a difference, but not 10 grand worth of difference. Besides if these rumors hold true the next big thing in Honda’s will probably be this car. AWD with a turbo K23 pushing it sounds alot better for a car over 30k. [http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C13492/](http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C13492/) --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mugen-si-at-the-dealer/193946)._