# Muscle car tuner showdown..Supersnake, HPE650 Camaro SS, and speedfreaks Challenger **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [October 26, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879 "2009-10-26T20:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/21 "2009-11-07T14:36:06Z")
look into it a little more .stock cam better heads and so on .and its still way under a gt500 book ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/22 "2009-11-07T14:37:04Z")
> [@951 winter progress](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/951-winter-progress/19571/204): > > Plus, its known fact that Motortrend HATES ford, and it always shows in their comparos. Theyve been swinging Camaro nuts for a long time how ,when it just came back out .dont hate that stock for stock every production f-body smacked mustangs ass .exc for the cobra ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/23 "2009-11-07T14:39:20Z")
> [@\*OFFICIAL\* 06-07 Toronto Maple Leafs Season Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-06-07-toronto-maple-leafs-season-thread/18511/354): > > A new camaro beats the GT500, since when? > > Also took alot of mods to barely beat out the SS by .1 with better tires. Not impressed! Actually, the Camaro SS is the competitor of the Mustang GT. Both naturally aspirated V8s, and the Camaro SS absolutely shits on the new GT’s. A GT500 is basically like the performance line of the Mustangs, just as the performance lines of the SS’ are coming out (Redline) and will most likely romp on a GT500. You’ll argue until you win the arguement [FORD 4 LYFE], but the new Camaro SS \> new Mustangs all around. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/24 "2009-11-07T14:40:19Z")
shit the new 6 cyl camaros shit on the gt,s ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/25 "2009-11-07T14:40:23Z")
> [@i got punked](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-got-punked/25482/50): > > look into it a little more .stock cam better heads and so on .and its still way under a gt500 book It says in the video upgraded cam. Theres no way a Henessey Camaro is $42K… You guys use to bust our balls sayin we needed a blower to beat ya. Well you guys now have more displacement AND a blower, and barely keep up :rofl ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/26 "2009-11-07T14:41:37Z")
but still beat ya ,remeber winnin is winnin dont matter if its a ft or a inch its still a win with less power ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/27 "2009-11-07T14:42:28Z")
> [@Well, somebody had to do it......](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/well-somebody-had-to-do-it/25481/41): > > Actually, the Camaro SS is the competitor of the Mustang GT. Both naturally aspirated V8s, and the Camaro SS absolutely shits on the new GT’s. A GT500 is basically like the performance line of the Mustangs, just as the performance lines of the SS’ are coming out (Redline) and will most likely romp on a GT500. You’ll argue until you win the arguement [FORD 4 LYFE], but the new Camaro SS \> new Mustangs all around. Youre retarded. 2010 GT’s have gone LOW 13’s, which is what the avg SS goes. Yeah there are like 3 cars that have gone 12.90’s, but they are few and far between. The mustang handles better, looks better, and has better features/interior. Oh yeah, they MSRP less too… Idk how thats “shitting” on anything… Also, the Redline SS, ISNT a factory car like the Gt500. ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/28 "2009-11-07T14:43:07Z")
> [@07 camry vs 07 accord which one?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/07-camry-vs-07-accord-which-one/25503/2): > > It says in the video upgraded cam. Theres no way a Henessey Camaro is $42K… > > You guys use to bust our balls sayin we needed a blower to beat ya. Well you guys now have more displacement AND a blower, and barely keep up :rofl Yeah, and the GT500 needed a bigger, aftermarket blower to even compete. Stock GT500 would’ve gotten RIPPED. ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/29 "2009-11-07T14:44:07Z")
> [@RIPP modifications question?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ripp-modifications-question/25465/31): > > but still beat ya ,remeber winnin is winnin dont matter if its a ft or a inch its still a win with less power If the stang had the same tires as the camaro, and the driver didnt mis shift(which you can CLEARLY hear in teh vid), the camaro would be in HUGE trouble. Stock Gt500’s are good for high 11’s at 118-120 ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/30 "2009-11-07T14:45:41Z")
> [@E92 M3 Revealed](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/e92-m3-revealed/25498/17): > > Yeah, and the GT500 needed a bigger, aftermarket blower to even compete. Stock GT500 would’ve gotten RIPPED. Wow, one bolt on on an otherwise STOCK factory motor with untouched heads,cam etc etc. And once again youre wrong, the new 500’s go high 11’s, which is right on par with that pos SS ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/31 "2009-11-07T15:42:25Z")
so that stock 5.4 has the same guts as every other 5.4 out there or even the gt500 come on .im not buyin that bullshit .ford cant make any forced induction really work for them thats why there is the svt and shelby without them ford would still be chasin the bowtie ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/32 "2009-11-07T15:52:20Z")
> [@951 winter progress](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/951-winter-progress/19571/210): > > so that stock 5.4 has the same guts as every other 5.4 out there or even the gt500 come on .im not buyin that bullshit .ford cant make any forced induction really work for them thats why there is the svt and shelby without them ford would still be chasin the bowtie Yes it is. Evolution motorsports has gone into the 8’s @160 mph with a STOCK Gt500 uprgraded with a twin turbp seup instead of the blower making over 1000rwhp. The SuperSnake shares the exact same motor as the 500, and the only upgrade is the Ford Racing/Whipple blower. Hard to believe, I know :lol As for not having good F/I motors, look at the terminators, the 500, and the new Ecoboost setup. V6 putting a 4300lb car into the mid 12’s with just a TUNE!! ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/33 "2009-11-07T16:16:28Z")
FYI, they got a Bone stock 2010 SS with drag radials only running 12.4’s… dont make me post up proof. ---
**Author:** ![Dread](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dread/32/6544_2.png) [@Dread](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dread)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/34 "2009-11-07T16:17:04Z")
Yea I was just about to bring up the ecoboost motor myself, take a look at the new SHO’s and say Ford doesnt know how to do forced induction. ---
**Author:** ![Dread](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dread/32/6544_2.png) [@Dread](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dread)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/35 "2009-11-07T16:21:58Z")
> [@2007 Roll Call](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2007-roll-call/25506/12): > > FYI, they got a Bone stock 2010 SS with drag radials only running 12.4’s… > > dont make me post up proof. Thats good to hear, for a few weeks the stories about S197’s and LS1 F-bodies taking them out were really starting to make people think the new Camaros were a flop. ---
**Author:** ![Eatonualive](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eatonualive/32/6442_2.png) [@Eatonualive](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eatonualive)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/36 "2009-11-07T16:28:07Z")
but listen, from ford svt cars are top of the model line, and chevy has the SS’s that are the top model line. both companies had (or still have) a V6, z28/GT, and SS/Cobra… thats how i see it. ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/37 "2009-11-07T16:30:31Z")
> [@2007 Roll Call](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2007-roll-call/25506/12): > > FYI, they got a Bone stock 2010 SS with drag radials only running 12.4’s… > > dont make me post up proof. Drag radials arent stock. I mean 100% stock. ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/38 "2009-11-07T16:32:33Z")
Car & Driver went 12.9 @ 110mph in a stock SS. I have the magazine right next to me ---
**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/39 "2009-11-07T17:42:57Z")
mustangs\>camaros ---
**Author:** ![kramerbuccs24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kramerbuccs24/32/6397_2.png) [@kramerbuccs24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kramerbuccs24)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879/40 "2009-11-07T18:18:01Z")
i dont really like either of em, the powertrains seem great though :lol [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muscle-car-tuner-showdown-supersnake-hpe650-camaro-ss-and-speedfreaks-challenger/247879.md?page=3)