# ??? Muzzle Brakes / Flash Hiders ???
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778
**Category:** Shift518 Off Topic
**Created:** [August 4, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778 "2011-08-04T16:00:13Z")
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### Author:  [@Mazdaspeed6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mazdaspeed6)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/1 "2011-08-04T16:00:13Z")
I prolly should know this but in New York can we have Muzzle Brakes and/or Flash Hiders on an AR15 (S&W M&P15). If so do we know any very friendly machine shops who can machine threads on the end of my barrel to allow me to screw one on?
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### Author:  [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/2 "2011-08-04T16:08:08Z")
> [@How big is the new GTR](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-big-is-the-new-gtr/44407/27):
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> I prolly should know this but in New York can we have Muzzle Brakes and/or Flash Hiders on an AR15 (S&W M&P15). If so do we know any very friendly machine shops who can machine threads on the end of my barrel to allow me to screw one on?
No flash hiders, but muzzle brakes are ok as kind as they are permanently fixed, if I recall.
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### Author:  [@toomanycamaros](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/toomanycamaros)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/3 "2011-08-04T16:10:58Z")
> [@How big is the new GTR](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-big-is-the-new-gtr/44407/27):
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> I prolly should know this but in New York can we have Muzzle Brakes and/or Flash Hiders on an AR15 (S&W M&P15). If so do we know any very friendly machine shops who can machine threads on the end of my barrel to allow me to screw one on?
No threaded barrels allowed on ARs. (piston grip and threaded barrel make it an assault weapon)
check [nyfirearms.com](http://nyfirearms.com) they have a list of all the laws.
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### Author:  [@Mazdaspeed6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mazdaspeed6)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/4 "2011-08-04T16:12:01Z")
Why doesnt “Don’t ask Don’t tell” work on firearms in this damn state
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### Author:  [@JVG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JVG)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/5 "2011-08-04T17:00:09Z")
> [@Will we get the ice storm today?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/will-we-get-the-ice-storm-today/44408/22):
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> Why doesnt “Don’t ask Don’t tell” work on firearms in this damn state
You can have a muzzle brake. You can’t have a flash hider and you can’t have a muzzle brake the is also a flash hider (rare but hard to come across) You have to be able to prove usually via paperwork from the manufacturer that the item is a muzzle brake only if it ever comes into question. On top of all of the the muzzle brake has to be permanently attached to the barrel be either welding it directly to the barrel which i dont recommend (looks like shit and the heat can warp and ruin the barrel. Typical you adjust them until straight on the barrel then you drill the muzzle brake and install a roll pin which is then tack welded so the it can be removed and the muzzle brake can’t be wrenched off.
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### Author:  [@JVG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JVG)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/6 "2011-08-04T17:09:24Z")
I have had a couple barrels machine by these guys. Great work and fast turnaround
[http://www.jpgrips.com/](http://www.jpgrips.com/)
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### Author:  [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/7 "2011-08-04T18:53:54Z")
I swear Ive heard that putting a potato on the barrel muffles the sound
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### Author:  [@JVG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JVG)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/8 "2011-08-04T19:16:28Z")
> [@WTB: Neon 5spd cheap cheap cheap](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-neon-5spd-cheap-cheap-cheap/44380/10):
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> I swear Ive heard that putting a potato on the barrel muffles the sound
get out of this thread you have no business here. Negativity and suicidal tendencies don’t mix with firearms.
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### Author:  [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/9 "2011-08-04T19:23:03Z")
I dont own any guns other than a pellet pistol that wont kill a chipmunk but Ive shot my brother’s guns before- .22 and 30\*6.
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### Author:  [@underboosted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/underboosted)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/10 "2011-08-04T19:32:53Z")
I have a break on my savage. Had the barrel threaded at “the gun shop” in Amsterdam. It screws on and off but its lock tighted on so you have to heat the barrel up to take it off. I don’t ever plan on taking it off. A lot of the ones for AR’s are clamp on.
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### Author:  [@JVG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JVG)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/11 "2011-08-04T23:07:36Z")
> [@Remember the Expensive Cables Thread?? rofl](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/remember-the-expensive-cables-thread-rofl/44402/43):
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> I have a break on my savage. Had the barrel threaded at “the gun shop” in Amsterdam. It screws on and off but its lock tighted on so you have to heat the barrel up to take it off. I don’t ever plan on taking it off. A lot of the ones for AR’s are clamp on.
depending on the rifle you can have a threaded barrel. Every AR has a pistol and grip and a detachable mag. You cant have more the two “evil” features as nys calls it. its a laundry list of bs really. its suppose to make soccer moms feel wet and warm.
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### Author:  [@v8lonoma](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/v8lonoma)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/12 "2011-08-05T02:01:12Z")
but can you have a threaded barrel with the muzzle brake permanently attatched? i think ive seen them sold locally at gun stores this way.
Semi-automatic [rifles](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
- Folding or [telescoping stock](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_stock)
- [Pistol grip](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip)
- [Bayonet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet) mount
- [Flash suppressor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor), or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
if your barrel is threaded with a muzzle brake permanently attatched, can it be considered able to accommodate a flash suppressor?
edit: further down i think i found the answer…
The ATF technology branch determined in 1994 that [muzzle brakes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_brake) were not impacted by the AWB, and **that muzzle brakes on threaded barrels were not an assault weapon feature, so long as they were welded or soldered in place.**
> **[Federal Assault Weapons Ban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban)**
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> The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB)—officially, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act—is a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms it defined as assault weapons, as well as certain ammunition magazines it defined as "large capacity". The ten-year ban was passed by the U.S. Congress on September 13, 1994, followin...
so you can have a threaded barrel in NY on an ar but you better have a muzzle brake permanently attatched.
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### Author:  [@usmc2801](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/usmc2801)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/13 "2011-08-05T04:37:23Z")
I know it was posted earlier, but seriously if you are looking for rules and regulations for firearms in NYS go to [NYFirearms.com](http://NYFirearms.com) you will get all your answers there.
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### Author:  [@JVG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JVG)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/14 "2011-08-05T06:03:39Z")
> [@Are there any banks in the area that have the free coin counting machines?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-there-any-banks-in-the-area-that-have-the-free-coin-counting-machines/44420/16):
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> but can you have a threaded barrel with the muzzle brake permanently attatched? i think ive seen them sold locally at gun stores this way.
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> Semi-automatic [rifles](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
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> - Folding or [telescoping stock](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_stock)
> - [Pistol grip](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip)
> - [Bayonet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet) mount
> - [Flash suppressor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor), or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
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> if your barrel is threaded with a muzzle brake permanently attatched, can it be considered able to accommodate a flash suppressor?
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> edit: further down i think i found the answer…
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> The ATF technology branch determined in 1994 that [muzzle brakes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_brake) were not impacted by the AWB, and **that muzzle brakes on threaded barrels were not an assault weapon feature, so long as they were welded or soldered in place.**
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> [Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban)
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> so you can have a threaded barrel in NY on an ar but you better have a muzzle brake permanently attatched.
correct i stated that previously in a couple posts up.
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### Author:  [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/15 "2011-08-05T13:05:02Z")
I believe the technicality applies that even if you do have a telescopic/collapsible stock on the rifle but it is permanently pinned and fixed, it’s considered a fixed stock and doesn’t apply towards the rules thus allowing two mods… How well that would wash with authorities I’m unsure of.
However considering that AR’s already have a pistol grip it technically only leaves you with one free “slot” to play with, and I know of a few local guns that have more goodies on them than they should :lol
JVG, I just pinned your Magpul stock here, lolz
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### Author:  [@JVG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JVG)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/16 "2011-08-05T14:37:09Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/354):
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> I believe the technicality applies that even if you do have a telescopic/collapsible stock on the rifle but it is permanently pinned and fixed, it’s considered a fixed stock and doesn’t apply towards the rules thus allowing two mods… How well that would wash with authorities I’m unsure of.
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> However considering that AR’s already have a pistol grip it technically only leaves you with one free “slot” to play with, and I know of a few local guns that have more goodies on them than they should :lol
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> JVG, I just pinned your Magpul stock here, lolz
leaves none. Pistol grip and detachable magazine. 2 down, 0 left.
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### Author:  [@v8lonoma](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/v8lonoma)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/17 "2011-08-05T20:34:30Z")
> [@Are there any banks in the area that have the free coin counting machines?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-there-any-banks-in-the-area-that-have-the-free-coin-counting-machines/44420/31):
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> correct i stated that previously in a couple posts up.
you stated about the fixed brake but never said it was ok to have a threaded barrel in NY.
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### Author:  [@v8lonoma](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/v8lonoma)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/18 "2011-08-05T20:39:44Z")
> [@Fast/Quick Honda Guys, Pull up a chair](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fast-quick-honda-guys-pull-up-a-chair/43044/354):
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> I believe the technicality applies that even if you do have a telescopic/collapsible stock on the rifle but it is permanently pinned and fixed, it’s considered a fixed stock and doesn’t apply towards the rules thus allowing two mods… How well that would wash with authorities I’m unsure of.
>
> However considering that AR’s already have a pistol grip it technically only leaves you with one free “slot” to play with, and I know of a few local guns that have more goodies on them than they should :lol
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> JVG, I just pinned your Magpul stock here, lolz
i still have a few uppers i need to get to you for muzzle brake changing.
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### Author:  [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/19 "2011-08-05T21:07:21Z")
> [@Anyone running Kumho Ecsta SPT?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-kumho-ecsta-spt/44404/21):
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> i still have a few uppers i need to get to you for muzzle brake changing.
Those were threaded barrels that just needed brakes swapped over/change correct? I forget.
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### Author:  [@v8lonoma](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/v8lonoma)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/muzzle-brakes-flash-hiders/259778/20 "2011-08-05T22:51:45Z")
yes sir. ive been lazy. have at least 2 ill have you do. need to decide on the brake though.
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